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Banksy on billboard at the Gate.

November 10, 2010
…But the rowan mixed with weeds,
Tangled tufts from marsh and meads…
 

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Banksy at the Gate

The more I look at the entrance to BCFC the more I think how bad are the club’s environmental credentials to allow such an appalling mess to greet the visitor. Not a green leaf in sight. Wedlocks sad demolished ‘bomb-site’ opposite.
Saving grace at Ashton Gate are the lovely trees and fields of the adjacent Greville Smythe park, protected and enhanced by hard working voluntary community groups.
The lack of investment in the old stadium is shocking-no wonder it looks like an urban wasteland from any angle. No reason to believe the new stadium site will look any better judging by the current and past performance of the stadium owners. Run the old stadium down then whinge that all that can be done is demolish it and build hypermarket, same old trick by ‘developers’.
Then ruin greenbelt with car-parks, fast food joints ,new stadium, bars, conference centre and the rest.
Why? The money in the game-its a  twisted and distorted market with billions floating round but clubs nearly all carrying massive debt.
Last thing they want to do is spend money on enhancing the environment.

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24 Comments
  1. harryT permalink
    November 11, 2010 9:37 pm

    Can I just say (off topic) that BCFCs new evidence submitted to the inspector is a pile of pants. Very expensively gathered. Clearly lots of effort but a real failure on the detail boys. Money is no replacement for honesty and integrity.

  2. November 11, 2010 10:55 pm

    That’s very much on topic as the billboard states Bristol doesn’t want a ‘village green’. Town and village green status-the Achilles heel of the Monster Hypermarket conspiracy. Time to spend the cash on upgrading the Gate.
    Wasted millions on dead-duck project. That would have paid for new toilets and a few trees, comfy seats and the rest.
    Consultants must have all trousered a good wedge though. If I was Lansdown I’d demand it back for being losers with crap advice.

  3. Richard Lane permalink
    November 11, 2010 11:14 pm

    Harry T
    Of course you can post off topic, your on the green side.
    They’re also allowed to post comments once they’ve closed.
    Sacredspring
    Back on topic. Blame GF for the demise of Wedlocks, add to that the Ship and Castle, while his Tobacco Factory bar thrives at their expense.
    The same will probably happen to the local bakers, that now have competition from the baker that pays rent to GF for using his premises.
    I note there is not a tree or blade of grass in any of Georges additions to North St. Just plain old money making bricks and mortar, with monster advertising.
    Who has the ostrich like tendencies that miss these things?
    Ashton gate, has recently had new seating put into the Dolman stand, New supporters club new enlarged bars, and many improvements to existing internal facilities. As for structural developments, what idiot would spend money replacing existing stands only to knock them down when the new stadium is built? Surely that would be unsustainable wouldn’t it? Donk.

    You claim SL is doing this for money and then say: “Why? The money in the game-its a twisted and distorted market with billions floating round but clubs nearly all carrying massive debt”.
    So if the development were about profits where would the benefits in money terms come from?
    If you can’t remember, or more likely choose not to acknowledge, because it ruins many of your arguments, Mr Lansdown will be putting up any shortfall from the stadium build from his own pocket, this will be many tens of millions of pounds.
    No doubt you will answer with another non answer, or accusation.

  4. Richard Lane permalink
    November 11, 2010 11:19 pm

    The bill board might state as you say but it’s covered up, so Harry is off topic as he states. Never mind though eh!
    Were you in London yesterday?

  5. November 12, 2010 12:33 am

    Tobacco factory garden? Remove ostrich head from backside and take a look around the market next week, if the zombie OTIB ban will let you.
    Why didn’t Lansdown save Wedlocks for the supporters trust? Historic connection with club-blame everyone but your idol.
    Ship and castle- TRAFFIC on winterstoke rd-stagger over that road after a few Thatchers-yeah right.
    Dennys Bakery doing fine and Marks bread-I support both while you champion Basics sliced cardboard.
    Monster Sainsburys Hypermarket greedy bread factory will kill off real bread by local bakers.
    Sure SL chipping in a few quid for private venture-why RAID council coffers for millions.
    Why bars. Conference centre. Hotel. Massive car-park. Ugly drive-thru Monster fast food joint. Exclusive posh housing. On greenbelt, (hint -cos its cheap)
    Nothing to do with lovely money.
    Or Guernsey.

  6. BobS permalink
    November 12, 2010 8:34 am

    Richard

    Lansdown bought the land in the name opf Vence Ltd. Ashton Gate Ltd (another of his companies) will buy the stadium off Vence but not the land. BCFC will then rent the stadium from Ashton Gate Ltd. BCFC currently pays (is it) £5m per year ? It will be more after that.

    So why is BCFC paying for the costs of the stadium ???

    Lansdown is “sweating” BCFC for cash to build his profits. It is correct that there will be profit and loss. BCFC will carry the losses and go bust with no assets. And I wonder who will bail out the club at the end when it goes bust ? The fans. You are acting against yourself Richard. Wake up !!

  7. November 12, 2010 8:46 am

    BobS-and when the new stadium goes bust it will be ‘oh please council lets unite behind a massive regional shopping centre at Ashton Vale you know it makes sense. What else could we do with a Monster Red Elephant’
    Pah!
    Sooner its Town Green the better then some real investment can go into City’s true home.
    Sums don’t add up Richard-risk everything on this gamble, lose everything easy.

  8. Richard Lane permalink
    November 12, 2010 8:54 am

    Have you seen the grass inside ashton gate? take another look when you raise your ostrich head out of the Guernsey sand that has been dumped on the tip at ashton vale, along with all the other buiulders rubbish you call a special nature place.
    Why didn’t George by the pubs? answer= threat to his own income so let them fail.
    How about parsons,hows that doing as you are now shopping at Marks bakery which wasn’t there until george allowed Sorry, rented it to him.
    You say: “Monster Sainsburys Hypermarket greedy bread factory will kill off real bread by local bakers” Why has this not happened already? they are already there competing with them, Ostrich.
    Council are not raiding their coffers for anything no money is changing hands, as you like to imply.

    All those establishments at the new stadium, help towards the running costs which reduce outlay for the football side.
    Thank you for not answering again.

  9. Richard Lane permalink
    November 12, 2010 9:03 am

    Fundamentaly flawed argument.
    BCFC are not paying the costs for the stadium, Mr Lansdown is.

    You say: “Lansdown is “sweating” BCFC for cash to build his profits”.
    Is this the same Mr Lansdown that has subsidised the club by at least £20m since becoming chairman, not a lot of profit there eh! You are believing all the bullshit/propoganda coming from the opposition, use your own brain.

  10. Richard Lane permalink
    November 12, 2010 9:05 am

    Scaremongering tactics! that’s a new one, I don’t think.

  11. BobS permalink
    November 12, 2010 9:18 am

    Lansdown’s “funding” for the claim has resulted in BCFC transferring the ownership of Ashton Gate from BCFC to Ashton Gate Ltd. FACT. You used to own your own stadium. You don’t now.

    The BCFC accounts show a £2m spend on building the stadium. FACT. Why, when you will only ever rent it and not own it.

    Lansdown’s money to the club is in loans. The club pays interest on those loans. FACT

  12. November 12, 2010 9:26 am

    Worst case scenario?-yes. Possible-yes?
    Give Lansdown his due-he’s supporting/baling out a club losing £12m/year. How long will that last, bearing in mind most clubs are running massive debt levels to compete (distorted market see).
    Don’t know why he can’t put assets into trust to secure the club for the fans for future (funny, I’m sure that’s what old red-trouser has done at Tobacco factory Theatre).
    I’d spend a few more pennies at the real stadium (-look at the shocking ramshackle entrance) now not the fantasy football of Sextons mob. Then I haven’t got half a bill. in the bank and don’t gamble on the futures market.

  13. November 12, 2010 9:35 am

    Yes Parsons and Herberts bread form the deli-but the issue is LOCAL bakers, duh!
    The Monster Hypermarket will hoover up double the local income (or more).
    Do the math.
    Lansdown failed the fans, supporters trust and Bristol by not preserving iconic building and historic BCFC link with its most famous player.

  14. BobS permalink
    November 12, 2010 9:37 am

    SS

    Not sure how much risk he is taking, given that the funding to BCFC is in loans and he is the club’s only debtor.

    Plus the speculation is not to make profit out of BCFC, but out of Ashton Gate Ltd and Vence Ltd.

  15. Will permalink
    November 12, 2010 1:46 pm

    He already owned the club (and therefore the stadium) when he split them. This was because they started functioning as different businesses. (even I remember this)

    Even with loans (interest) lansdown will be long dead before he sees any return from what he has invested in the club over the years.
    Your arguement is flawed (fiction) and libelous.
    I suggest you go back and rethink your stance and how you want to conduct yourself on your “blog”

    Oh and please dont put any more of these up until you have done lesson one: photoshop – cropping.

  16. Richard Lane permalink
    November 12, 2010 10:45 pm

    Saacredspring and BobS
    You have both now acknowledged Mr Lansdowns continual investment in BCFC.
    This is a far cry from your previous statement that he is bleeding the club dry or only after increasing his personal fortune.
    BobS each year he transfers that debt into shares.
    How can he make a profit out of AG Ltd. or Vence Ltd. If he is subsidising them to such an extent with his own money, while buying the land, building the stadium and funding the team, only to be left with a huge personal debt?
    The tobacco factory and other buildings owned and leased by GF for profit, are not too pretty. That is unless they are pretty ugly.
    The use of black and red paint and giant letters on the monsters is awful, have they been painted to blend in with the locality? If so they have failed, to me it’s as though they have been painted to advertise the venues, with complete disregard to the locality and are a true representation of all that is bad in minimalism.

  17. Richard Lane permalink
    November 12, 2010 10:49 pm

    Sacredspring

    Would that be the market that sells gooods for consumption by mouth, just a few yards from the under threat shops of North St?

    Keep them coming, would you like to borrow a spade?

  18. Richard Lane permalink
    November 12, 2010 11:01 pm

    As Harry has been declared on topic, I feel sure I can respond on topic, likewise.
    Harry T
    Please expand on your revelations regarding the new evidence, or is this yet another load of unfounded lack of proof bullshit? Honesty and integrity are to the fore eh!
    So many questions and no answers from the green opposition.
    Or shall we go along with Harry, when he suggests the best place to build a stadium is at severnside, which would be to the detriment of North St and have catastrophic effects on the environment, due to excessive car use.

  19. November 13, 2010 2:24 am

    You really don’t understand independent local traders.
    You promote the green-belt grabbing half billionaire exiled tax-evader whose shop front we’re lumbered with looks like the entrance to Guantanomo bay detention camp crossed with Checkpoint Charlie. The new stadium if it happens which is unlikely now looks WORSE. A monster corrugated red plastic wheelie-bin of a design, dumped on lovely green-belt. Whos the designer? Lego-addict on LSD? And the horrible hangers on of Burger Drive Thru and concrete wasteland of hotels bars and carparks, where you would feel very much at home.

    I understand how hard it is to criticise the bank-roller (till he does a Coppell ?)

    Such is the fantasy football world of massive debt and bank-rolling sugar daddies.

    Whatever, ask the Guernsey saint to plant a couple of trees outside the gates please.I’ll chip in and dig the holes for him.

  20. November 13, 2010 2:32 am

    Comment fail- no-brainer. Look up small independent local traders in dictionary

  21. Richard Lane permalink
    November 13, 2010 7:13 pm

    I thought rants weren’t allowed, oh yes it’s another of yours.

    Sorry to disagree but I do understand local traders and their fears.
    If there are going to be more cars than already exist coming through Bedminster and Southville, to get to Sainsbury’s (which I very much doubt). Then there is an opportunity to entice the occupants into a very good shop selling good produce.

    If I were an honourable local trader, I wouldn’t force unwanted competition onto already (so say) at risk fellow traders by opening a monster bar, allowing a baker to open, or have a market running in my car park.
    Prior to the extra baker, there were two, whose trade has suffered?

    Who buys goods in the market that used to get them in the local shops, or elsewhere.
    George would like to see us buying our goods from markets like his adorable French.
    If he had his way there would be no local shops just markets, and he’d probably run them all.
    When you predict Mr Lansdown doing a Coppell, do you mean leaving a couple of months after joining the club?
    Tis you Methinks, that has been on the LSD

    Should they dig up the road and parking at AG with it’s restricted site, to plant these trees? There is as you say an abundance of them over the road, and of course the new stadium has many trees and nature areas in it’s design. But all you want to do is criticise anyone or anything to do with it. It gets very tedious because all you ask for is there in other things but you have such a negative outlook, you don’t see.
    I would suggest you pull down some of your ugly house and plant a tree to make it more attractive. After all, there was probably a very nice piece of land where your house now stands.
    I have three trees that I’ve planted, in a relatively small plot, so it is possible to help the environment in a positive way, rather than just fighting people for the sake of it.

  22. November 13, 2010 10:43 pm

    Well done for planting some trees, seriously.
    You do realise its green environmentally conscious people trying to protect and improve their neighbourhood who quite like green belt and trees etc that oppose the monster greedy hypermarket? Safe to say these folks give a lot of time to planting lots of trees and worthy community things like that. Hard for an outsider to understand I know.
    The public frontage to your football club is a disgrace-there’s not much good to say about it if you’re not a BCFC fan. Spend some energy on greening up your sacred club-you seem to have plenty of free time.

  23. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    November 14, 2010 6:26 pm

    For what it’s worth, I doubt SL started this venture with a view to making money. My guess would be that after following his son into supporting The City, the opportunity to buy this land arose, and to a City supporter it would be the obvious place to put your new stadium. I doubt Green Belts, SNI’s or entrances in different councils land were even thought of. If I wanted to argue against myself, it would be that SL is not the sole owner of the companies involved, and I still don’t know who is going to invest the part of the £150 million that will not be put up by SL. They may want a return on their money. But, not knowing any of the business deals, like most others, my views are just a guess!

  24. Richard Lane permalink
    November 14, 2010 7:01 pm

    Sacredspring
    Outsider?
    There is no supermarket planned for the greenbelt as far as I can remember.
    All planned developments will provide more trees than currently exist, so you are actually fighting against tree planting as well, you misguided wonderful person.

    Paul
    Most of us are guessing about the financial dealings.
    The main objectors though, are positive in their beliefs but totally unproven and unfounded at the same time.
    I admire your honesty and lack of animosity, which is unlike other posters.
    Rich

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