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December 13, 2010

‘I might have been inclined, myself, to regard a coffin-nail as the deadliest piece of ironmongery in the trade.’

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2011 Monster Sainsbury spectre torments South Bristol

Happy New Year 2011; goodbye healthy, vibrant, fragile South Bristol.

The Spectre of the monster Sainsburys Hypermarket looms large again over South Bristol.

Not just another Hideous reincarnation of the previous discredited plans, but an appeal of the previous rejection.

Is there no end to the Greed of the Blofeld-like landowners and supermarkets?

They are determined to hoover up our highstreets, gridlock our streets and poison our air.

Sainsburys have demonstrated that they will stop at nothing to bulldoze through their regional shopping centre.

Residents once more are facing a year of instability and uncertainty as the Lansdown/Hypermarket juggernaut threatens the community.

The Phantom High St draws ever nearer.

http://www.stopsainsburys.co.uk/

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50 Comments
  1. Richard Lane permalink
    December 13, 2010 8:37 pm

    Christmas past.
    Factories galore, providing jobs to feed the many shops, that served the workers and the many thousands attending football at Ashton Gate.

    Christmas present.
    Factories are gone, along with them the workers that fed the many shops. Less people attending football at Ashton Gate because of lack of investment for many years.

    Christmas future (following Sacredsprings plans)
    Employment stagnated, investment stagnated, there’s a lovely village green for the unemployed, shops still closing due to lack of investment in business and football, attendances down again and more shops closed.

    Christmas future (with ambition)
    New stadium and successful football team bringing more people and shoppers, North st still thriving after little hiccup from new Sainsbury’s, no need for village green because everyone works and enjoys the new wetland areas instead.
    And tiny Tim gets better

  2. Richard Lane permalink
    December 13, 2010 8:42 pm

    How can an area be vibrant, healthy yet at the same time fragile?
    And since when has the area of Ashton been south Bristol, as in all of it?

  3. December 13, 2010 9:36 pm

    Monster store affects all roads and shops leading to Ashton.
    There is fine line between busy high st and margins squeezed by Mega-hypermarket.
    Surveys all say shopping streets at risk.
    Roads choked with fumes and cardboard sliced bread is not vibrant and healthy future.
    Sustainable future damaged by car-dependent cash hungry hypermarket.

    Safe in his Guernsey counting house, your man is not giving to feed the poor and destitute.
    He cares only about his cash till, even if that means screwing the community.

  4. Richard Lane permalink
    December 13, 2010 10:52 pm

    Sacredspring
    “Safe in his Guernsey counting house, your man is not giving to feed the poor and destitute.
    He cares only about his cash till, even if that means screwing the community”
    Is this the same man that co employs 600 people in the community of Bristol, employs hundreds of people at Ashton Gate, will employ more at Ashton vale, is about to inject £90m plus into the local economy?
    You really do sound silly when using this childish approach to that argument.

    There are likely to be as many, if not more vehicles, diverting to the new store that would otherwise be travelling to the centre or Cribbs causeway from areas in south Bristol, thus reducing pollution in many cases.
    The extra traffic going to the store, would be diverted from retail outlets elswhere. That being the case, there can not possibly be an increase in existing overall traffic, just redirection of existing traffic.

    You did not answer: How can an area be vibrant, healthy yet at the same time fragile?

  5. Still Waters permalink
    December 14, 2010 12:13 am

    “Less people attending football at Ashton Gate because of lack of investment for many years.”

    Um, really? I thought it was because it was cheaper to stay at home/in the pub and watch 2nd rate football.

    “Is this the same man that co employs 600 people in the community of Bristol, employs hundreds of people at Ashton Gate, will employ more at Ashton vale, is about to inject £90m plus into the local economy?”

    Have you ever met anyone working at H&L? None of the dozen I have met paint a glowing picture of the company. And exactly how many ‘hundreds’ are employed full-time at Ashton Gate?

    And surprisingly, I think you might find that SL won’t be forking out £92 million of his own cash. That’s laughable, really. Do you really believe SL is the ‘prime mover’ in this deal?

    “There are likely to be as many, if not more vehicles, diverting to the new store” – oh, that’s just grand.. all that motorway out-of-town traffic congregating in the Winterstoke Road.
    Of course that can’t lead to increased LOCAL pollution and congestion! How clever that a zero reduction in cars driving to shops elsewhere will lead to “reducing pollution in many cases”.

    Bear in mind some wise words: “The point i am making is that we have a Chairman, who has stated certain specifics, but has never backed it up with fact, figures etc.”

    Your own words, I think? (or someone nicked your OTIB account)

  6. December 14, 2010 9:24 am

    Richard is consistently confused here. High st margins are tight-buying power of monster stores forces small shops under, old trick by multi-nationals. Collapse of high st shopping attributed to loss of a few key shops-then their is no choice but hypermarket.

    Confusion also over football. This is NOT a football issue. Its a planning issue over whether a massive regional store should be built at Ashton Gate, and subsequent damage to High St’s, road congestion, and air quality.

    I might like to turn my house into a Monster Hooters or even better a brothel for maximising my land value, but my neighbours and planning would have something to say.

    Lansdown wants to maximise land value and profit at the expense of residents- planning has already rejected two applications.

    The man is out of touch in his faraway haven, getting bad advice from his yes-men, and is hell-bent on bulldozing it through planning.

    Regional damage to lives and infrastructure is not good investment for South Bristol residents.

  7. harryT permalink
    December 14, 2010 10:02 am

    The whole point is that Richard Lane and Lansdown don’t give a shit what happens to Ashton Vale and Southville as neither of them live there. Richard is quite happy for you all to be covered in traffic and fumes and plastic bags. He cares only about his shiny new stadium. He spins deceit, conspiracy and nonsense every day all in aid of his club.

    Should someone start destroying Knowle for their own personal profit, I would expect Richard’s opinion to be diametrically different.

    Richard. You have no credibility. You make a fool of yourself every day on this site.

  8. Chris E permalink
    December 14, 2010 10:51 am

    I crossed Winterstoke Road yesterday at a crossing with a green man showing but was nearly run down. If the roads were heavily congested, said maniac wouldn’t have been able to get up that speed and I’d have been safer.

    C’mon the Sainsburys.

  9. December 14, 2010 12:33 pm

    Sainsbury’s car shopping madness kills pedestrian. Not good argument for more cars.

  10. Chris E permalink
    December 14, 2010 3:20 pm

    Eh? “Sainsbury’s car shopping madness kills pedestrian”

    I was saying the current situation wasn’t good enough and that more cars would produce slower traffic. Surely a win-win!

  11. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    December 14, 2010 3:47 pm

    At least there is some positive news today. Colin Sexton says he’s concerned the poor people of South Africa won’t benefit from the 2010 World Cup and thinks the same could happen to the poor of Russia. Now thats a man with a real social conscience. Who says a Leopard can’t change its spots.

  12. Will permalink
    December 14, 2010 4:20 pm

    figures show majority of shop owners on park street couldn’t care less about sainsburys, and large percentage of few that do, don’t think their trade would be adversely effected.

    but anyway, the planners refused the previous scheme for an over reliance on cars, this has been sorted with the new plans and they have improved the builds environmental impact (added bonus)

    Everybody I have spoken to think the plans are great and they can’t wait for the regeneration of our ignored corner of Bristol. despite the loud mouthed vocal few doing their best to stop it.

  13. December 14, 2010 4:33 pm

    Park St?
    Figures rustled up after hearty liquid lunch not worth a carrot.

  14. Will permalink
    December 14, 2010 5:45 pm

    North Street*
    Cheers,

    The shop owners opinions aren’t worth a carrot??

    Do you really know much about round here? Lets see your accurate figures on your survey.
    Pub talk shallow and cheap.

    sacredspring Ed.

  15. Richard Lane permalink
    December 14, 2010 10:23 pm

    Still waters
    1. “Um, really? I thought it was because it was cheaper to stay at home/in the pub and watch 2nd rate football”.
    What on earth are you on about? Lack of investment in the football club over many years has resulted in lack of success. Your spiteful remarks just show up your ignorance.
    2. “Have you ever met anyone working at H&L? None of the dozen I have met paint a glowing picture of the company. And exactly how many ‘hundreds’ are employed full-time at Ashton Gate?”
    I don’t know if I’ve met anyone from the company. Does that mean they are not employed by the comany, in Bristol? I never said they were all full time jobs, I said there were hundreds employed, some full time and many on a part time basis. Both will increase at the new stadium. Do these not count as jobs, or don’t you want them to exist?
    3. “And surprisingly, I think you might find that SL won’t be forking out £92 million of his own cash. That’s laughable, really. Do you really believe SL is the ‘prime mover’ in this deal?”
    Again you are wrong, I never said he was going to fork out £92m of his own cash, I said he was about to inject the money into the local economy. A great deal of it will be his, though we will never know exactly how much.
    4. I suggest you learn to read. I said “There are likely to be as many, if not more vehicles, diverting to the new store that would otherwise be travelling to the centre or Cribbs causeway from areas in south Bristol, thus reducing pollution in many cases”.
    Not as you claim “oh, that’s just grand.. all that motorway out-of-town traffic congregating in the Winterstoke Road”.
    5. “Bear in mind some wise words”: “The point i am making is that we have a Chairman, who has stated certain specifics, but has never backed it up with fact, figures etc.”
    “Your own words, I think? (or someone nicked your OTIB account”
    Once more you are wrong, as before I suggest you learn to read.
    My comments were a reply to this statement by spudski, you muppet.
    My comment is below the line.
    Here it is: I’m quite confident that our chairman will have sanctioned certain surveys/projections before embarking on his course of action.
    As some are saying that they don’t want to watch games with a stadium only two thirds full, I have news for them, we do at present.
    Sometimes you have to speculate to accumilate and I believe we have greater potential than many clubs that are percieved to be bigger than us.
    To increase average attendances you need prolonged success, we have come close on a few occasions but have never achieved this due to a lack of prolonged investment. This chairman is willing and has said he is willing to do just that, which will improve our chances of prolonged success.

    There are many people opposed to the new stadium, some are on here at this very moment trying to undermine the plans.
    Do you honestly think the chairman would reveal the financial details/ projections/forecasts of these plans?
    I have experience when dealing with some of the opposition, believe me, they would use those figures/statistics to argue against the stadium. They would be twisted, exagerated, altered, ridiculed, all to the detriment of those plans.
    The best way is to play your cards close to your chest and stay positive, which in difficult circumstances, the chairman is doing.

  16. Richard Lane permalink
    December 14, 2010 10:40 pm

    Sacredspring
    I am not confused over any of the issues you talk about.
    I know supermarkets can buy at a better rate.
    I know they can force the closure of some shops.
    I do not believe this is the case with North st.
    North st is alive and thriving, any threat is to poor quality shops. There are few in the area of North St we refer to. If they go to the wall, George can turn them into eco housing, a new Butchers, baker or yet another theatre resulting in closure of theatres in central Bristol.

    There is no confusion over planning issues relating to football, these are linked by the need to obtain as much for AG as possible.
    Planning has not rejected two applications, it is you that is confused.
    It might or might not have rejected the Tesco plans which were only recommended for refusal. The planning committee might have gone against the advice of their planning officers. So that one is pure speculation.
    The other application was a stitch up, with councillors being bullied and cajoled into thinking the retail and traffic surveys were wrong.
    It’s quite easy to mix the previous application figures with the new one to cause concern, as was done.

  17. Richard Lane permalink
    December 14, 2010 11:14 pm

    HarryT
    When are you going to say something with any basis? All you do is come on and attack the poster.
    There was a time when you offered an opini0n. It was that we should build a stadium at Severnside. It was pointed out to you that a great many supporters would need to travel to that location along Winterstoke road, that nearly everyone would have to travel by vehicle to that location and most importantly returning to topic, the customers now shopping in the establishments of North St would no longer do so, prior to and after a match.
    The area of Ashton which North St is, would lose dramatically. And it has much to gain from a successful Football club as part of that community.

    I have recently had a Tesco metro open within a short distance of me.
    Believe me when I tell you, it is far superior to the shop adjacent, which tried every mean trick in the book to fleece the customer and offered poor quality goods at top prices.
    I do still shop there for sealed goods such as dog food.

    I suggest you open your eyes and really read what I and other posters write.
    I have no desire to cause the demise of Ashton, I use it and support it. My relations live there, I lived there, my son was born and christened there, I bank there, do business there, socialise there.
    The objectors on the other hand, will use every way possible to exagerate figures, twist peoples words and generally use the extremes in every scenario to back up their argument.
    Many groups are linked to all of these campaigns to further their own cause. That is why Ron Morton opposes all development plans (to help his own), that is why there are numerous green activists opposing every plan, I think they believe if they can stop one plan they can stop the stadium, because that is what all this is about, a battle to save the greenbelt. The activists have linked every group together, each whith different motives and thus portraying a much wider vocal opposition group.
    Ask yourself one question. Why is a man in Shortwood Green (South Gloucestershire), petitioning Downing St against the stadium, supporting the village green application, opposing the access road to the stadium, and also opposed the Tesco plan, all in of which are in south Bristol, miles away on the other side of the city from his idylic rural retreat?
    I expect he’s also against the new sainsbury plans.

    Eg: Stop Sainsbury suggest people contact their councillor to object. They give the addresses of the councillors in three wards. Southville, Bedminster and Windmill Hill.
    These area have a relatively high number of green voters (Windmill Hill includes Totterdown).
    They do not include wards which have residents that live closer to the actual area where the store is planned, such as Bishopsworth Clifton and Cabot.
    They also have a link to the stop Tesco in Stokes croft site, why?

  18. December 15, 2010 12:02 am

    Lansdown is not a charity or social enterprise.
    Hes’s developed a rare skill of making money out of punters.

  19. December 15, 2010 12:08 am

    Lansdown is on a mission to stitch up Bristol.
    Just ‘cos he’s made a mint doesn’t make him Ghandi.
    Forget football for a minute and think of the legacy, (traffic nightmare, bad air, high St’s damaged beyond repair? A price not worth paying.
    The man lives in Guernsey to evade British tax. No sainthood for him.

  20. December 15, 2010 12:10 am

    Tesco metro is not 100,000 sq ft regional shopping centre.
    You are confused.

  21. December 15, 2010 12:11 am

    You are completely bonkers if you think more traffic is good.
    Go back to your mews in Clifton.

  22. Chris permalink
    December 15, 2010 8:55 am

    I don’t have mews in Clifton. I’ve already said previously where my abode is.

  23. Country Cousin permalink
    December 15, 2010 10:29 am

    Paul,
    I was confused about that statement from Sexstone too. I thought the whole point of being sold the “world cup” was the massive gains to be made from the influx of fans and the ongoing legacy? I have friends in South Africa and they said that they have felt real development benefits in some areas, but as ever, its a complex picture with some areas doing well and others being steamrollered into concrete/tarmac oblivion. After reading the FIFA host city contracts last year, it appears difficult for most normal sized business to make much more from the world cup than they would do from any other prestige event, so can’t really see how it would have been much different here if we had won. A few making the biggest profit with many fighting for a share of cash from providing lodging, selling booze/food and plastic gimmicry crap.

    Have to say that the whole rant from him came over quite badly as a case of sour grapes. On what grounds exactly would we sue? That FIFA fibbed to us about how we should shape our bid? That they weren’t fair? That we spent all that precious prime ministerial & monarch time chasing a dodgy deal?

    There was a time when the prospect of the world cup coming to Bristol would have excited me, but because of the reliance on building a hypermarket and all the associated upheaval, pollution and impact involved, that excitment was tainted along time ago. So much so that I actually cheered when I saw we hadn’t got it.

  24. woodsy permalink
    December 15, 2010 10:34 am

    Richard

    Lansdown may employ a few people in the city, but he and his fellow robber baron Hargreaves made their millions by blatant exploitation of their workforce. Hargreaves Lansdown is currently moaning it cannot fill graduate trainee positions. This is hardly surprising as H-L is offering graduate trainees a mere £7.50/hr (not much for several years study and accrual of student loans/tuition fees debt is it?). This equates to £13,650 p.a.; the average graduate trainee position attracts a salary of over £20,300 p.a.

    This hardly looks like magnanimity to me.

  25. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    December 15, 2010 11:06 am

    Country Cousin.
    That somewhat somes up my feelings as well. I see there was a game recently where the Kaiser Chiefs, playing at Soccer City, their home ground and with a capacity of 94,700, had less than 7,000 in attendance. Is this really a worthwhile legacy for a country in such need as SA? As for our bid, it makes me pretty uncomfortable to see our reps. cosying-up to people who pretty obviously “needed watching closely”, and when we are not successfull, claiming it all as a “dodgy deal”. It seems as were we to have won we would have turned a blind eye to the obvious. Now some say we should leave FIFA because we have been misled, yet Blatter has said on many occasions that he wanted to take the game across the World. I suspect our people were to busy enjoying themselves to delve too deeply into what was staring us in the face from the start!

  26. thebristolblogger permalink
    December 15, 2010 5:09 pm

    It’s official. Lansdown, Sexstone, Cook, Ormondroyd and Guy Thickfucker between them have turned Bristol City Football Club into the city’s end-of-year laughing stock.

    Congratulations on their Venue Banana Skin Award!

    http://www.venue.co.uk/features/7544-best-of-the-bunch

  27. Richard Lane permalink
    December 15, 2010 8:50 pm

    Woodsy
    I honestly don’t care what you think. The jobs are there and people are paid wages to work, it’s up to them, if they don’t like it they can look for another job.
    Tell me any business that does not exploit it’s employees. That is the nature of business, it exploits skills, commitment and what you refer to, peoples need for money. Employees also exploit the business.

  28. Richard Lane permalink
    December 15, 2010 9:05 pm

    Bill
    You rely on shit investigative journalism like this to have a dig? : There was/is the whole saga of the new stadium, knocked for six by a planning inspector’s decision to declare that the 42 acres of wasteland it was to be built on is in fact a town green.
    You know very well that this was only a reccomendation by the inspector, on the evidence provided at the time. It is not a town green.
    If you lot throw enough bananas, some skins will be stood on.
    Include yourself and that rag Venue to the banana skin award.

  29. Richard Lane permalink
    December 15, 2010 9:17 pm

    Making money out of punters?
    As I recal, the punters make money out of him and he takes a cut of the profits.
    Without him or people like him and the expertise they have, the punters as you call them, wouldn’t make the money in the first place. He doesn’t make them invest their money.

  30. Richard Lane permalink
    December 15, 2010 9:27 pm

    How long have you been a member of the communist party?

    I don’t agree with you on any points.
    Traffic increase, where from? that traffic already exists in different areas with much of it already passing the proposed store.
    Air pollution?
    Traffic already exists, though in the future it will be less polluting, due to smaller cars, hybrid fuels, electric cars and vans, plus an increase in home delivery’s.
    The new location is also closer to the bigger population of Greater Bedminster as well as other previously mentioned places. This will enable more people to walk and ride to the store.
    As usual the scaremongering tactics of exageration is being used.

  31. Richard Lane permalink
    December 15, 2010 9:32 pm

    Sad.

  32. Still Waters permalink
    December 15, 2010 11:17 pm

    “that rag Venue” – that rag owned and run by Bristol Evening Post, BCFC’s leading media partner? The same BEP owned by the Daily Mail Group that the pro-stadium supporters denigrate at every turn, yet are the ones who network your board’s pro-stadium waffle at every turn?

    You guys really like to bite the hand that feeds you.

  33. Still Waters permalink
    December 15, 2010 11:26 pm

    so.. gridlock is a win-win for who, exactly?

  34. Still Waters permalink
    December 15, 2010 11:30 pm

    “Many groups are linked to all of these campaigns to further their own cause. ”

    That argument works both ways, old boy.

    Think of all the recent activity of greenbelt land trading around SW Bristol, and then look at the backers of the current and pipeline developments.

  35. Still Waters permalink
    December 15, 2010 11:38 pm

    “There are likely to be as many, if not more vehicles, diverting to the new store that would otherwise be travelling to the centre or Cribbs causeway from areas in south Bristol, thus reducing pollution in many cases”.

    I did read, and the obvious conclusion of your statement is that these vehicles, rather than spread their pollution around a fairly wide area, would instead concentrate it in the Winterstoke Road area.

    Well, I’m glad that concentrating road pollution in my area makes the city centre less polluted, really.

  36. Still Waters permalink
    December 16, 2010 12:29 am

    “You know very well that this was only a reccomendation by the inspector, on the evidence provided at the time. It is not a town green.”

    and you know very well that the inspector’s recommendation is, in law, extremely hard to avoid as a fact.

    “42 acres of wasteland” – spouting some BEP investigative shit yourself their mate.

    Admittedly, they got Jersey and Guernsey mixed up. Point to you 🙂

  37. Chris E permalink
    December 16, 2010 9:56 am

    People crossing the road – haven’t I already made my point clear enough?

  38. Southville Deli permalink
    December 16, 2010 12:35 pm

    Sainsburys planning application says that moving to North Streets side of Winterstoke rd will increase the number of people within walking distance of them by 50%, and in addition are planning 3 “Sainsburys Buses” routes – one of which will collect customers from North Street,and “will run with increased frequency if need be” They’re very calculating.

    Despite their claim, Sainsburys aren’t working with local businesses to secure our future. Many feel that to work with the one business that threatens us, is at the very least, inappropriate.

    There are at least 210 people employed by small businesses along North Street between Raleigh Rd & Luckwell Rd. Add in those employed further along, and in particular those in East Street, and the potential for job loss is huge. Small shops don’t enjoy the economy of staff & space that a superstore does,and I’d say almost every premises here needs 4-5 part & full time personnel.
    A friend of mine works in the new Tesco extra in Orpington Kent.
    That “created lots of jobs”, but once the euphoria of the opening month was over, trade settled down, and those staff who decided it wasn’t for them weren’t replaced & it won’t be different here.

    Of course we want to fight the store. Many of us will loose our homes over this, not just our livelihoods.

  39. Still Waters permalink
    December 16, 2010 8:22 pm

    Hardly a win-win having to negotiate through clouds of carbon monoxide, is it?

  40. Richard Lane permalink
    December 17, 2010 12:11 am

    I think you’ll find that I said, from south Bristol. So to get to the centre or Cribbs causeway, they would have to pass the site. The obvious conclusion is, it would not spread pollution over a wide area. By stopping at the new site, they would reduce pollution by not travelling to Cribbs or the Centre, they would be minimising it. As I said before read properly and try to understand.

  41. Richard Lane permalink
    December 17, 2010 12:35 am

    Stillwaters
    The only group linked to developments at Ashtonvale or Ashton gate are the supporters of BCFC. You confuse developers with ooposition or, supporting groups. And less of the old boy.
    I refer to groups opposing developments in their own areas, such as Shortwood green (in south Glos),DRAG, HOLA, AVHG, the Failand lot, the Whitchurch lot.
    They each oppose developments in other areas, because it helps their own cause.
    As I asked before . What has Ron Morton got to do with developments at Ashton Gate or Ashtonvale? Why has he targeted these developments? why does he oppose them? The answer in every case is that, he thinks it will help his cause to save his Village, some 9 miles away

  42. Richard Lane permalink
    December 17, 2010 1:01 am

    Stillwaters
    Nobody is feeding me.
    The venue has an independent editorial team and is directed at a certain group of people.
    As I said, it’s hardly investigative journalism.
    In fact it’s factually incorrect, down right lazy and is intended to be provocative. It is more of an opinion rather than a news story and has provoked a response from shallow spiteful people, as expected.
    I think it’s about time you took a reality check.
    I honestly am not doing this because I intend to benefit personally from it. I honestly believe the planned developments are good for Bristol. I have never lied and never intentionally deceived anyone.
    In any plans there are winners and losers, I feel confident that there will be many more winners than losers.
    For the people that lose , then I am sorry, for the many more that gain then I am happy.

  43. Richard Lane permalink
    December 17, 2010 1:19 am

    Stillwaters
    “and you know very well that the inspector’s recommendation is, in law, extremely hard to avoid as a fact”
    The recommendation is indeed as you say a fact.
    That it is a town green is NOT a fact.It was only in fact a recommendation.
    Many things have been recommended for approval by the local authority (two planning applications spring to mind), only for the opposite to occur.
    “42 acres of wasteland” – spouting some BEP investigative shit yourself their mate”
    I’m sorry but you seem to have attributed something to me again, which is wrong. If you read properly, you will find that this is a quote from that rag(the venue) and not me. You really must learn to read and pay attention.
    Just once in a while an apology would be in order, but we are on the site of exaggeration, lies and accusations with no proof, aren’t we.

  44. Richard Lane permalink
    December 17, 2010 2:10 am

    Southville Deli
    You are taking the scaremongering stance once more, this is typical of those opposed to the new store.
    This is the area you are really concerned about:”There are at least 210 people employed by small businesses along North Street between Raleigh Rd & Luckwell Rd”.

    Did you consult or care about competitors when you doubled the size of your shop? Or did you do it to make more profit/ increase turnover?
    Did GF worry when a new bakers, In competition with the existing two bakers opened in his premises, giving him more income/profit?
    Did Gf worry when he started a farmers market, in direct competition with the shops he claims to support Inc yours, giving him more income/profit selling whilst selling simmilar goods?
    Your shop is superior to Sainsbury’s and sells superior goods, as do many shops in North St. Perhaps the covenience stores might suffer (like M’Colls).
    But you have nothing to fear from a competitor that is already on your patch and already attracts customers from your area.
    As for, “many will lose their homes”, that is scaremongering.
    The reality is that there are very few shops that will be in direct competition with Sainsbury’s. Your double fronted shop is one, the remaining butcher is another (less competition now), as is the excellent greengrocer, previously stated Bakers and the chemist. The rest are mainly charity shops, Estate agents two banks, two second hand stores and the rest are cafes/restaurants. I doubt the Lion stores has much to be concerned about and the newsagents are a dying breed anyway due to TV and the internet, so one of those two may suffer.
    I understand your fears, though I feel many people have been taken in by green party activists that are only concerned with stopping the stadium development. Whilst at the same time showing concern for shopkeepers, to add them to the list of objectors, that is except Tesco and Sainsbury’s.
    Why is there a link on the “Stop sainsbury’s” site, to the “Stop Tesco in Stokes Croft” campaign site?

  45. bobS permalink
    December 17, 2010 8:51 am

    Here we go again Rich with your hypocracy.

    You make stuff up on the spot and then accuse others who take care with their statistics of the same.

    You criticize those from Southville for opposping the sotere as being NIMBYs and then attack any linkage with outside groups as evidence of some wider conspiracy

    Meanwhile you care only for the advancement of your football club and nothing for the people of Ashton Vale and Southville who continue to oppose these horrid plans.

    You are a Knowle based hypocrit.

  46. bobS permalink
    December 17, 2010 8:52 am

    so Rich. Why are the council begging the Applicants to negotiate and compromise ? Why don’t they simply reject the Inspector’s recommendation ?

    BECAUSE THEY CAN’T.

  47. December 17, 2010 10:26 am

    A Sainsbury’s Hypermarket which is a regional shopping centre in its own right, as we know would be the equivalent of a new town centre of shops as big as the the football pitch and stadium. This will have an impact on other shops in a wider area, this is a fact. What is not clear is how much impact the competition of such a massive store will have. But the figures banded around by planners and the supermarkets suggests millions of pounds taken out of existing High St’s nearby.
    Shopkeepers have a right to be fearful.
    You can be sure the supermarkets paint a rosier picture than the worst case scenario.
    Don’t confuse small independent traders competing on the high St with the Billionaire Big Four chains who’s expansionist mission in this country has been at the expense of our traditional high St’s and communitys. They hoover up most of our cash because they know how to and have the massive resources to fiddle the planning system. Why else would Sainsbury’s greed merchants put in an appeal for the thrown out application as well as put in a new application for exactly the same thing. Their Monster store is a sick outrageous abomination, no place for it in a sustainable world.
    People have had enough and are rallying to fight the destruction of their communitys by the greed of the obscenely rich few and the obese greed of the supermarket chains.

  48. Southville Deli permalink
    December 17, 2010 12:08 pm

    Richard
    “Did you consult or care about competitors when you doubled the size of your shop? Or did you do it to make more profit/ increase turnover?”

    We are microscopic businesses compared with Sainsburys. When our olive wholesaler opened their own shop across the road from me, I had to take it on the chin and up my game. I was competing on the same scale as them. Not competing with a superstore.

    When the excellent Marks Bread opened down the road from me, I had to up my game presentation wise to win back the customers. Which we did .We are small businesses competing on the same scale. Not competing with a superstore.
    I ENJOY the competition! – and the profit helps to pay my mortgage..

    But not competing with a more than hourly bus service taking people “from North Street” to the Superstore.
    Not competing with “The largest Sainsburys in the South West” which will be “increasing the number of people within walking distance by 50%”

    Of course my shop is threatened by Sainsburys. I see plenty of the products that I sell on sale in most supermarkets. They’re quick to spot a trend. I see most of my wholefoods there, all the herbs and spices. The meats, the olive counter. You name it , they’re constantly evolving. I don’t expect to loose all my customers to them, but enough to cause staff loss and difficulty in running the business on a day to day basis.
    This is only based on my observations of shopping centres, the length & breadth of th UK.
    A bit of flutey music and Jamie Oliver can be all it takes.

    You may, or may not be pleased to hear that the butchers that was Wherlocks will be reopening soon. My partner being the solicitor for them. ( I remember Colin Sexstone making a point of saying that it was closing when being interviewed last year)
    During the course of the business sale transaction I saw a copy of an early 90’s lease agreement, where the landlord has been unable to secure a rent rise due to the downturn in trade when the existing Sainsburys opened.

    I’ve lived in Knowle for 7 years now. Most of our neighbours drive to Sainsburys in Brislington or Tesco at Callington rd. They so rarely walk down our street that I don’t recognise the most of them if they do!. There is little or no community interaction.
    Bedminster retains it sense of place because it has facilities you can reach on foot – and want to reach. Its the last place left this side of town like it. That has SO much value.

    Sainsburys & your burning burning desire for relocated Superstore threatens this.

    As an aside Richard, how come the Evening Post approach you ” as a member of the public”
    every time there is a story. And mention you, “Richard Lane, a builder from Knowle” as if they’d never spoken to you before, each time?

  49. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    December 17, 2010 4:05 pm

    According to the EP the Council have called for both sides in the TG dispute to compromise. My question is ,why now? Why was this call not made before the application was even submitted. That would have saved time and money. Why did the Council not insist on S106 money which may have brought compromise? I think they are running scared of having to make the judgement they don’t want to make and this would be a way of avoiding it. What also stood out for me was the statement “the site is not owned by the club but one of the joint owners is the clubs millionaire chairman, Stephen Lansdown.” Thats a first from the EP. Whats going on?

  50. December 18, 2010 8:42 am

    What’s going on ?
    The Town Green at Ashton Vale is inextricably linked with the Monster Hypermarket and the Bristol 2018 world cup bid. That’s what we were told by the BCFC new stadium team.
    Subsequently the Fifa world cup fiasco was a dismal failure for the Bristol bid team.
    Lansdown, Sextone and ‘double-glazing mate?’ Price, then conveniently forget about their WC enabling arguments.
    But the council and the public don’t forget that easily.
    Joe public is not as thick as the BCFC board of directors think.
    Residents realise that Lansdown and the new stadium team are trying to pull another fast-one, in continuing to try to rip off Bristol taxpayers with free council land and no s106 obligations as well as a community destroying Monster Hypermarket.
    The enabling argument for World Cup status was the con. we all new that was pressurising the planners dept. That’s gone, good job as that needed at least another £17m bale out.
    Compromise on Town Green is just another face saving exercise.
    How about compromise on Giant Hypermarket as well, in fact why not call the whole ridiculous plan off now and put some cash into BCFC staying at the Gate.
    Their aggressive thrust into mega-stores and green-belt has had residents dangled over a pit of uncertainty for too long.

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