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Sainsburys Greed merchants gut-busting claims.

January 14, 2011

One thing is for sure-the Monster hypermarket is super-obese.

I’ve just wasted more of my life reading the preposterous puffed up claims by the bent analysts in the pocket of the Multinational greed sharks. Jeeses, I’m getting pissed off big time.

Sainsburys employ these analysts, experts in fiddling stats, to present 100’s of pages of bullshit to paint a rosy picture of a massive store expansion.

The overpaid idiots would have us believe that the new mega-store will have ‘minor-adverse’ effect on air pollution; there will be very little increase in traffic; roads will be better than before; high street shops will be thriving, most people will walk or get the bus to the hypermarket; there will be no more road accidents; IN FACT LIFE WILL BE VASTLY IMPROVED FOR ALL LOCAL RESIDENTS.

Utter and complete lies and hogwash. These supermarket vultures know that a hyper-store this size will massively increase their turnover, customers and profits, OTHERWISE WHY THE FCUK WOULD THEY spend millions smashing down a perfectly good shop only a few years old to build this monstrosity??????

And that means High St’s get ripped off and shut down.

And that means massively congested roads full of cars and lorries.

AND that means extra old people die as a results of nitrous oxide pollution. And kids get run over and gassed on the way to school. Put that in your fairytale stories RIGGED-YG planning, CON-nect consultents, SIN-nergy.

Blood money.

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33 Comments
  1. Lance permalink
    January 14, 2011 3:14 pm

    Surely a few more deaths through nitrous oxide pollution is welcome what with the recent statistics on us becoming an ageing population living longer placing more strain on the state?

  2. harryT permalink
    January 14, 2011 4:04 pm

    So you would be happy for people to die if it gets you your stadium. Nice.

    Even Rich Lane hasn’t gone that far. Albeit I await his explanation as to why nitrous oxide pollution will in fact go down as everyone will arrive by hydrogen powered rocket pants in the future and, even if it doesn’t, then it will be for the benefit of 98% of Southville residents as it will make them healthier.

  3. Country Cousin permalink
    January 14, 2011 4:15 pm

    Thats it, get your blood up. boy (or girl)!
    After 2 failed attempts, they are banking on most people either being too apathetic and full of post-christmas lethargy to bother. As this is the 3rd time we have had to read this guff (and the third time the club has had to use funds it could be spending on useful items like, new toilets, players, community works), you would think they would just do a nice summary version.

    Heres mine: More cars, more pollution, fatter people, more accidents, more small shop keepers on the dole, leads to nice new red B&Q box which conveniently opens up other parts of nearby countryside to development expansion, requiring bigger supermarket, leading to more cars, more pollution…….. ! But I suppose thats progress and it can’t be stopped.

  4. Lance permalink
    January 14, 2011 4:26 pm

    Fail.

  5. bobS permalink
    January 14, 2011 5:19 pm

    looks like a pass to me ūüėČ

  6. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    January 14, 2011 5:37 pm

    What does the local Neighbourhood Partnership think of the new store? They are the new “in thing” to represent local views and it would be a good chance to question your local councillors to see where they stand. Although I continualy take mine to task for being undemocratic, they are a reality and only local people are involved.

  7. Charlie Bolton permalink
    January 14, 2011 6:13 pm

    The Greater Bedminster Community Partnership has consistently opposed the superstore proposals, and has opposed this latest version (according to the draft minutes from the last meeting)

  8. January 15, 2011 12:01 pm

    Jobs con-new job figures are economical with the truth, (ahem, “lies”)

    http://www.bristol247.com/2011/01/14/tony-dyer-how-can-sainsburys-sell-us-out-of-stock-ashton-gate-jobs/

    Do not trust the multinational billionaire greed-merchants, they are not driven by charity.
    They want your cash, all of it. Profit is their drug, we are all sad losers in their maniac scheme.

  9. Richard Lane permalink
    January 16, 2011 1:42 am

    HarryT
    The store is being built in Ashton not Southville.
    I have never claimed that polution will go down, I have said that the figures quoted by opposition groups, are the extreme scenarios.
    There are rapid improvements happening to cars, vans and delivery vehicles. The types of fuels used to power vehicles is changing and will help to greatly reduce emisions.
    These things are conveniently ignored by the opposition pressure groups.

  10. Richard Lane permalink
    January 16, 2011 1:45 am

    Sacredspring
    Do you really believe this crap? “AND that means extra old people die as a results of nitrous oxide pollution. And kids get run over and gassed on the way to school. Put that in your fairytale stories RIGGED-YG planning, CON-nect consultents, SIN-nergy”.
    No scaremongering going on here eh! What are you taking now?

  11. Richard Lane permalink
    January 16, 2011 1:49 am

    Charlie
    I also note that a few people are now questioning whether this group is actually representative of the area they speak for, accordig to the minutes.
    But countered by some who think they are representative (probably Ben, Tess and Alice).

  12. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    January 16, 2011 1:58 pm

    Hi Rich
    Neighbourhood Partnerships may or may not represent the views of local people, there is no way of knowing. In my experience, most people don,t know of their existance, let alone what they are for. Untill a far larger percentage of citizens know of, and how to get involved with, their local NP, I think only the elected councillors can claim to speak for anybody. In this context, it would be unfair to think all supporters would want to leave Ashton Gate, many I know don’t, so perhaps giving ALL supporters the chance of a vote would be a good idea. Changing the subject, I understand Ashton Vale Fields were flooded this week. Any Pictures?

  13. Richard Lane permalink
    January 16, 2011 3:31 pm

    Hi Paul
    I agree that many people know nothing of the existance of these organisations. That is why they attract the more active members of society, who then think they speak for all of that society and dictate the agenda. As those active in the GBCP are generally those opposed to things, especially planning issues.
    The councillors only get one vote, though an unelected member (by the public) also gets one vote. As they elect their mates with the same views they are not representative of the area in my opinion.

    I bet the site of the stadium is not flooded.

    As for a vote of supporters views, surveys were carried out and a massive majority were in favour of a new stadium, I can’t be sure but I think it was about 93% in favour.

  14. January 16, 2011 7:12 pm

    Who’s opinion is more democratic and valid than the partnership?
    The angelic Guy Price from the beloved football club sits on the board to promote the community busting Mega-store, and has been given plenty of time to spout his stuff. Not that he gives a monkey about anything or anyone else from round here ….as he’s from Taunton etc.

  15. January 16, 2011 7:24 pm

    Footy club has democratic voting structure eh? The mega-rich playboy club owners think they can walk all over the population due to their extreme obscene wealth. Lucky we have brave citizens to fight back and protect their neighbourhood from absentee landlords.
    Shame the council has given away our land for free to the billionare supermarket vultures.
    Plenty of fans want to stay at the old ground-a few quid spent there would save all this community destruction and havoc.

  16. Richard Lane permalink
    January 16, 2011 10:21 pm

    What another load of tosh.
    A few quid spent?
    That would go nowhere near to providing the facilities of the new stadium. For a start it would be £20m short from the sale of AG. There would be no chance of any further expansion at AG, compared to the new stadium (wait for the sarcastic ill informed digs).
    This is a large city, all be it rather backward in some respects. Yet it still has the potential to be successful in many ways, just as smaller places have, that do provide decent facilities for their people.

    Have you ever thought that it is you and the other opponents that are destroying the community, by stopping it from moving forward. After all it is only a few hundred people claiming to know what bis best for the other 20+thousand in the GBCP area.

    The football club is privately owned. Would you like me to dictate what you do with anything you might own?
    I believe that your personal attacks against members of BCFC are nothing more than jealous rants.

  17. Richard Lane permalink
    January 16, 2011 10:28 pm

    Guy price is a representative of BCFC that is a member of the GBCP, because they are part of the community and he works in the community, where he lives is immaterial.
    Some other prominent members don’t live in the area.
    Tony Dyer lives in Chipping Sodbury, yet he has been instrumental in the opposition to all developments from day one. Should he mind his own business?
    As for the GBCP, it is dominated by a few people that think they know what’s best.

  18. January 17, 2011 10:24 am

    Community-busting Mega-store is not progress in my book.
    Unsustainable backward thinking from the land-grabbing elite.
    Footy club owner is undemocratic.
    Locals want to live and walk safe streets, not gridlocked poisoned hypermarket rat-runs.

  19. ben permalink
    January 17, 2011 11:42 am

    You can’t blame people for being active – these new structures get put in place and if no-one turns up we all bemoan apathy, and if people do turn up they get accused of ‘think[ing] they speak for all in that society and dictate that agenda”.

    (For the record I have concerns about the efficacy of the new NP structures and rules, but that tired old ‘do-gooder’ slagging is just lazy really.)

  20. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    January 17, 2011 2:06 pm

    Rich
    Bristol is successful in many ways. All recent surveys about where people like to visit, happy residents, quality of life etc. always put Bristol at or near the top, and living here, I can fully understand it. I’m afraid it’s not all about stadiums and sport. When people use the arguement of Bristol living in the past I always say “wait to see if your child gets sick, or you need cancer treatment, or Brain surgery, then say Bristols living in the past”. It’s all about priorities. I love sport, including Bristol City, but luckily for me, it’s not the be all and end all.

  21. Richard Lane permalink
    January 17, 2011 9:50 pm

    Ben, I don’t blame anyone for being active.
    How many different organisations are you actively opposing these plans?
    I believe there are people that like to impose their beliefs on others by way of joining likeminded people in pressure groups to achieve their aims. As well as people that are genuinely concerned and trying to do their best for the community.
    Regarding the Tesco and Sainsbury’s plans, I believe that the former is probably a more accurate reflection of the present situation.
    If only there were more people that were representative of what is a predominanlty working class area, rather than being dominated by people from the southville set.

  22. January 18, 2011 12:55 am

    Working-class Lansdown imposing anything on anyone lately?

    Forgot to mention working-class sexton from Clifton, and all the working class players on £15k a week.
    Working class hypermarket owners do what they like due to working class billions (they’ve ripped off).

  23. January 18, 2011 9:15 am

    New comment format just done on date and time of posting-not embedded replies anymore.
    Also comments open for seven days.
    Looks confused now-nothing new there.
    Anyone hate the format that’s tough. If enough bellyaching then may change it back.

  24. ben permalink
    January 18, 2011 10:47 am

    Richard,

    Have you considered patenting your ‘Motivation-O-Meter’?

    Your ability to be able to tell the difference between those evil buggers “who… like to impose their beliefs on others by way of joining likeminded people in pressure groups” from the poor innocents “that are genuinely concerned and trying to do their best for the community” is truly remarkable. It must be quite a gizmo.

    Just out of interest, what kind of reading do you get from tax-avoider Steve Lansdown?

  25. Richard Lane permalink
    January 18, 2011 8:01 pm

    Ben
    Sorry, how many organisations is it you belong to that are opposing the new store?
    My Gizmo as you call it is called logic.
    I don’t believe there are evil buggers at work in the GBPC, only the usual suspects that are members of the planning group, supported by like minded people in the community.
    If I’ve upset you then I’m sorry.
    As for Mr lansdown, the tax avoider as you childlishly refer to him as. Has probably paid more tax than you ever will, because he is successful at what he does. He jointly employs 600 people in Bristol in his business, that all pay tax. He also employs hundreds at AG that also pay tax, his businesses pay tax. They all also pay business and private Rates, so he probably is quite good for the local economy. He is also willing to put many millions of his own money into something that will benefit a great many people in Bristol, even if you are not one of them. So I read that he is a good man for Bristol.
    Sacredspring
    I think you’ll find that Sextone was born and bred in the Chessels and went to South St school. Most people move on in life, areas stay roughly the same. That is unless a group of people move in and change parts of it, and then try to change the rest to suit themselves.

  26. January 19, 2011 9:24 am

    Massive hypermarket has never been part of this areas history.
    Everyone knows these regional shopping centres damage age old high streets and inflict 10’s of thousands of extra vehicles a day on narrow residential streets.
    The wealthy powers that promote this community destruction deserve to be criticised when their motives are driven by the cash-till.
    Rich continually tries to drive a wedge with footy fans and locals with his manic conspiracy theories.
    The issue is monster store not football, most people don’t have a problem with living alongside the football club, and I for one enjoy match day excitement.
    Lansdowns entitled to move abroad and turn his back on the country that provided him with the means and workforce to amass untold wealth. If he wants to put something back into his club then good for him.
    But not at the expense of blighting peoples lives by imposing the biggest hypermarket in the country on the doorsteps of ordinary folks homes and community.

  27. ben permalink
    January 19, 2011 12:15 pm

    You need to recalibrate your gizmo I’m afraid, Richard, I’m not part of any group opposing the plans (I did intend to write to the original planning enquiry saying that I thought the store would have a bad effect on traffic at our end of Bedminster – St Johns Lane – which is already shocking, but I can’t remember if I actually got round to it). It is telling that you want to assume that anyone who disagees with you is part of some sinister, Southville-set out to enslive the world to its lentil-eating ways.

    And this kind-of gets to the crux of my point – your desire to categorize the motivations of people as either ‘good’ or ‘bad’, seemingly based on their socio-economic class and how active a given individual is. Maybe more clarity from you about what is an acceptable level of community involvement would be good, so people can make sure they do not cross the line into ‘usual suspects’ whose opinions should be discounted.

    And there is nothing childish about stating facts, I am afraid. Steve Lansdown is a self-confessed tax avoider. Our system is based on proportionality, not a flat tax system; therefore the total amount he pays is irrelevant. What is relevant is the fact that he now pays an effective lower rate of tax on his immense personal wealth than the poor benighted souls who trudge through the gates each week have taken from their relatively tiny incomes, depriving the Exchequer of funds to pay for schools, hospitals and police. You may think that is fair and worthy of defence. I do not.

    And finally, no need to apologise – don’t mistake sarcasm for upset!

  28. Still Waters permalink
    January 19, 2011 11:03 pm

    A compendium of ‘Richard Lane Speak:

    1) “There are rapid improvements happening to cars, vans and delivery vehicles. The types of fuels used to power vehicles is changing and will help to greatly reduce emissions.
    These things are conveniently ignored by the opposition pressure groups.”

    = “I’m buying a new Chelsea Tractor even if no-one else can afford one”

    2) “No scaremongering going on here eh!”

    = BCFC and their mates would *never* scaremonger about lost jobs..

    3) “I also note that a few people are now questioning whether this group is actually representative of the area they speak for”

    = “I’m going to ignore the many comments on OTIB that increasingly support the refurb of Ashton Gate”

    4) “That is why they attract the more active members of society, who then think they speak for all of that society and dictate the agenda.”

    = football supporters. Nuff said.

    5) “I bet the site of the stadium is not flooded.”

    = can’t be arsed to visit the countryside and find out.” (They are flooded)

    6) “destroying the community”

    = “stopping football”

    7) “Guy price is a representative of BCFC that is a member of the GBCP, because they are part of the community and he works in the community”

    = “destroys communities for cash”

    8) “I believe there are people that like to impose their beliefs on others by way of joining likeminded people in pressure groups to achieve their aims.”

    = “football supporters”

    9) “He is also willing to put many millions of his own money into something that will benefit a great many people in Bristol”

    = ” he has whipped several million from BCFC accounts to pay for this”

    (Enjoy!)

  29. January 20, 2011 10:20 pm

    Can’t fathom why he bangs on about all the opposition to the Gut-busting mega-store when
    the only people he represents is his lordship himself. His even more manic posts on otib forum are not being read, resorting to sad bumpage and replying to own posts.
    But he’s entitled to his opinions in the grand tradition of free speech.

  30. Richard Lane permalink
    January 20, 2011 10:37 pm

    Ben, I must be confusing you with another Ben that is very prominant in groups opposing these plans.
    I am not categorizing people as either good or bad. I am making a statement that reflects what I have witnessed over what is now nearly two years.
    There are people in the GBCP that do impose there will on the community.
    For example: They have recently voted to oppose the new Sainsbury store. Unfortunately they are the same people that sit unopposed within the higher echelons of this partnership.
    This partnership, which is widly acknowledged to be unknown to the majority of people in the area, speaks and acts for those people of that area. Yet they are not actually finding out what those people want, they wait to be told by the people, who happen to be the more active locals and they get their way. No public opinion was saught for this action.

    How could you get more traffic on St johns lane going to the new store? there already exists a sainsbury store, which some people approach via this route. There is also a Sainsbury store in the other direction. I fail to see how more traffic would suddenly want to use this route when the choice is already there.

    As for Mr Lansdown and tax, we disagree.

  31. Richard Lane permalink
    January 20, 2011 10:52 pm

    Stillwaters
    I’ve never seen such wierd and off the mark analogies in my life. Have you been taking some of Sacredsprings stuff?
    That was just another attack on the poster with no attempt to debate the points.

    Sacredspring
    Ditto the above, substitute stillwaters name for yours.

    We now have you calling this the biggest Hypermarket in the country. 10s of thousands of vehicles on residential roads. And no history of this.
    History lesson. UBM/MAC had a massive retail outlet on Winterstoke road. The tobacco bonds, which there were two of were as big if not bigger than the proposed store and there were massive factories in the area with thousands of vehicle movements to and from them, actually in residential streets not just a store accessed via Winterstoke road.
    Glad to see you upholding the grand traditions of free speech now, rather than banning or threatening to ban when you are exposed as a liar.

  32. January 21, 2011 12:20 am

    800 Jobs claim by Sainsburys greed merchants are the porkies they continue to peddle, and the rest. They will be outed as fraudsters.

    Rich-Unelected self-important one-man-band OTIB reject, what a pompous windbag! Top Pork-pie merchant as well.

    PS. there’s a good surgeon in Lagos who specialises in removing very large pork-pie shaped heads from backsides. I’ll have a whip round and sponsor the twit’s airfare.

    PPs. I still have the power of lifetime bannage..

  33. Deano permalink
    January 21, 2011 7:49 am

    I see that Richard has been talking to himself on OTIB again.

    Apparently he now says that new stores create additional jobs from servicing and supply (presumably existing local stores that are forced to close are serviced and supplied by magic!)

    In any case, I thought that Sainsbury’s were claiming that the Ashton Gate store was simply a relocation of their existing store – which is obviously already being serviced and supplied?

    Another fail by Lane.

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