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Community Lose Lose, Fatcats Win Win

February 3, 2011

If I let the front of my house look like the stadium entrance then I’d quite rightly get a bit of stick from my neighbours. SL needs to dip his hand in his pocket and pull out a few twenties from the £100million in the piggy bank to cheer up his front door.
Maybe he’s wasted so much cash on dodgy consultants and their fat fees that he’s now a bit skint.

Actually I do like having the club as a key part of the community. Match day atmosphere is great I love it. Wandering past the fans on a Tuesday evening with the pie vans and chip shops doing a roaring trade.
Pubs full, police horses prancing about, shops overtrading, cider,  Evening Toast sellers, cars everywhere, thousands of fans young and old desperate for a good result.
That’s why the club should stay where it is. The matchday experience for fans is massively enhanced by having all the pubs and shops and services on the doorstep where you can jump straight out of the pub virtually into the stands. And all the shops benefit in return from the business. The stadium is where it belongs right now.
If the new out of town ground at Ashton Vale goes ahead all that will be lost-you may as well be in Milton Keynes surrounded by faceless fast food ‘restaurants’, forced to buy crap beer at jacked up prices from the multinational franchises.

And us residents are left with the High St gobbling Monster Mega-Hypermarket.

Win Win for the few wealthy land-owning elite.

Lose Lose for the rest of us.

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33 Comments
  1. Chris permalink
    February 3, 2011 4:20 pm

    So from half a billion to £100 million – what a load of bullshit you spout.

  2. ali permalink
    February 3, 2011 5:10 pm

    He’s worth around half a billion and has recently realised around 100 million, so has that cash around. Or at least that’s what I imagine spring will say. It’s not really bullshit.

  3. harryT permalink
    February 3, 2011 7:12 pm

    I wouldn’t bother explaining. Chris is another who is happy to jusitfy absolutely anything so long as his club gets to rent a new stadium on greenbelt land.

  4. February 4, 2011 8:45 am

    My bullshit filter has a comment pending from chris. Include two or more links and you get spammed out, same for everyone.
    Anyhow here it is, chris’s bullshit comment.

    02-Feb-2011: https://sacredspring.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/the-sainsburys-myths/ – “half a billion quid in the bank”

    03-Feb-2011: https://sacredspring.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/community-lose-lose-fatcats-win-win/ – “£100million in the piggy bank”

    Looks like bullshit. Smells like bullshit. Must be bullshit.

  5. February 4, 2011 9:09 am

    I suppose one minute he’s worth £500m next minute £250m or £750m depending on the share value, such is the nature of his work and business and whether he’s pressed the right button. Its all telephone numbers.
    And he’s pumped a fair bit into the club, true.
    But, he’s also getting a stack of council land for free, and on course for a massive money spinning land raid on the Green Belt. And he’s hell-bent on bulldozing through the high st and community-busting Mega store.
    Depending on which side of the fence you sit, he’s the saintly soccer supporter, or the money and land grabbing dictator.
    Chuck the Supermarket vultures into the mix and you have both the wealthy and the greedy, they’re not motivated by altruistic values.
    Get real.

  6. Chris permalink
    February 4, 2011 11:15 am

    You didn’t talk about “worth”. You referred specifically to cash in the bank.

    As for harryT, thanks! I guess you won’t mind me calling you a numbskull as long as you can have the right to but never use a piece of land.

  7. Richard Lane permalink
    February 4, 2011 5:04 pm

    Sacredspring
    Are you now going to abide by your own rules?
    “Include two or more links and you get spammed out, same for everyone”.
    You have posted with two links.

  8. Richard Lane permalink
    February 4, 2011 5:17 pm

    You really are clutching at straws now. Out of town stadium? It’s 500M further than the existing siteand still within the ward of Southville. HarryT promotes building it at severnside, along with other Ashtonvale and North Somerset residents.
    The shops and pubs which have been built up and used by the stadium users for 100 years will still be used by the same people. The only people using those establishments you refer to, will be those taken directly to the stadium from park and ride sites, or the privilidged able to park there. You now seem to like the stadium being where it is because it supports your style of living.

  9. February 4, 2011 7:01 pm

    Er I don’t think stadium supports me. Should stay where it is = my opinion.
    Turn it into Gut-busting Mega-hypermarket =ruins my style of living, and ruins the whole region.

  10. February 4, 2011 7:04 pm

    Rich double links were the post filtered. That’s Chris’s comment not mine. Only included it to stop you bitching -even that didn’t work.

  11. Richard Lane permalink
    February 5, 2011 7:39 pm

    Sacredspring
    So your not going to play by your rules. You have two links from different days, yet you refer to them as a single comment. Not bitching just clarifying what we already know.

    I didn’t say the stadium supported you, I said it supports your lifestyle. You refer to it being part of the community and as such it is part of your lifestyle because it supports that community.There are probably many more people that want the stadium moved because of the things you refer to on matchdays.

    What do you think about the possibility of the egg chasers playing a WC match at the new stadium?

  12. Richard Lane permalink
    February 5, 2011 7:51 pm

    COMMENT REMOVED
    <<<<< HATE CAMPAIGN AGAINST LOCAL RESIDENTS AND OBJECTORS NOT TOLERATED
    >>>>>

  13. harryT permalink
    February 5, 2011 9:56 pm

    “What do you think about the possibility of the egg chasers playing a WC match at the new stadium?”

    The same as I think of all the PR guff spouted by the club and repeated word for word by the BEP.

    Its shameful, corporate propoganda to pursuade ordinary Bristolians to support the destruction of two communities in Southville and Ashton Vale. The very communities that the club should be targetting for its empty seats.

    I have said it before – this campaign by the club will damage its fan base for a generation. I won’t go there anymore and neither will my kids.

  14. Still Waters permalink
    February 5, 2011 10:42 pm

    I saw today’s post in the Evening Whinge – despite the fact BCFC kicked Bristol RFC into touch about ground-sharing, they are now mooting the ‘proposed stadium’ (let’s not forget, planning permission has yet to be ratified) as a potential site to make up for the crap hype of a football world cup stadium disaster.

    Chris: I currently have the right to use the land, and I actually use the land.

    And I’ll carry on doing so. Am I a numbskull for doing so?

  15. Richard Lane permalink
    February 5, 2011 11:49 pm

    Sacredspring
    Absolutely scandalous that you of all people, the master of hate statements should claim I have a hate campaign. I have no hate campaign against anybody. I merely pointed out that a very prominant, outspoken person from the community, based in Southville was once more heading up yet another community group. I used her name which is on the objection sent to the planners and available for all to see using a link from your site.
    If you don’t want it known, or are trying to get some moral high ground, remove the link.

  16. Still Waters permalink
    February 6, 2011 12:18 am

    Rich “I have no hate campaign” Lane:

    We all read your posts on OTIB, don’t come on here pretending to be the unbiased observer.

  17. Richard Lane permalink
    February 6, 2011 7:01 pm

    Stillwaters
    If you do read my posts (you must be bored), you will know that I have no hate campaign as claimed. Biassed? of course I am, I have never suggested otherwise. Yet I’m still able to hear and agree with peoples fears when they are voiced. I also know that there is a massive exageration of the effects of both the supermarket and the stadium. Just as there is an exageration of the amount of people opposing them. This is highlighted when you look at the amount of multiple memberships held within different groups by the same people.

  18. Richard Lane permalink
    February 6, 2011 7:13 pm

    Harry T
    Could you define the two communities that will be destroyed? A bit pedantic perhaps but you seem to have ommitted Ashton, the actual area where the supermaket is to be built. You have included Southville, an area not to be developed. Now as we all know Ashtonvale and Ashton are in the ward of Southville, why do you appear to be not concerned about the community of Ashton?
    Could this be another indication of where the major opposition to the supermarket is coming from, namely the Southville area and not Ashton where the actual development is planned.

  19. Deano permalink
    February 6, 2011 8:10 pm

    I agree with Stillwaters.

    Reading Lane’s comments it is perfectly clear that he is running a hate campaign designed to avoid addressing the issues raised and instead hoping to demonise the individuals involved.

  20. Southville Deli permalink
    February 6, 2011 9:16 pm

    “Could this be another indication of where the major opposition to the supermarket is coming from, namely the Southville area and not Ashton where the actual development is planned.”

    No, the nature of my work means I meet many people from Ashton, & there is plenty of concern there.

    You should get yourself down to the planning office, and ask them where the letters are coming from, Much more scientific than spending time online here, trying to guess out loud.

  21. harryT permalink
    February 6, 2011 9:19 pm

    Rich

    Ashton Vale is in Bedminster ward. Would my comment be acceptible if I had said the communities within the whole of Southville ward and the Ashton Vale prt of Bedminster Ward ?

    You are assisting in the trashing of your own fan base.

  22. Richard Lane permalink
    February 7, 2011 12:01 am

    Deano
    What individuals are you refering to that I am demonising? Attack the poster again, instead of printing some evidence showing up my hate campaign. I have not abused or written derogatory comments about anybody except in response to personal attacks on me.
    Read my comments properly and print the evidence to back up your claims. I believe it was you that called me a liar and that I spread deciept.
    Southville Deli
    I Have 35 years direct association with the Ashton area. I lived there for 5 years I bank there, Shop there, socialise there, have family living there, carry out business there. There is no doubt some people of Ashton are concerned, they probably come into your shop to buy their goods. I wouldn’t mind betting that more of your local customers come from the streets behind your shop, rather than the Ashton side of the street. You must know your customer base, I think you are brave enough to reply honestly. What I am saying is that the vast majority of opposition comes from the Southville side of North St.
    “You should get yourself down to the planning office, and ask them where the letters are coming from, Much more scientific than spending time online here, trying to guess out loud”.
    I’m bored of doing things like that, It’s more representative to read the letters, and look at the objections from the organised groups that eminate from the Southville centre. It paints a pretty clear picture of who’s behind the opposition to the supermarket, I expect the letters are standard and taken from the opposition sites anyway.
    Harry T
    You were paying attention then. I want you to recognise that the areas so say affected are, Ashtonvale and Ashton, not Southville where the biggest noise is coming from.

  23. February 7, 2011 8:49 am

    Plenty of people sick of Hypermarket proposals-their way of life is under threat.
    Sainsburys and wealthy dictators walk over community.
    Residents fight back. They have rights to object

    Thats how it is.

    Fear of intimidation of objectors such that many living near ground afraid of voicing opinion.

    THIS IS FINAL WORD ON CONSPIRACY THEORIES

    STICK TO ISSUES OR BAN

  24. Richard Lane permalink
    February 7, 2011 3:08 pm

    Sacredspring
    The issues in this topic seem to cover every aspect of the current situation, except the village green. Where have I gone off topic? That’s if the threat of a ban is only towards myself and not the other posters ignoring the topics to have a hateful dig at me.
    The reality of this topic is that, it is yet another of your wild rants of hatred directed towards Mr Lansdown, followed by some feeble reason why you would like the stadium to stay where it is, in an attempt to justify the rant.

  25. harryT permalink
    February 7, 2011 7:08 pm

    But Richard – Ashton is in Southville. You said so yourself and now you deny it. Contradicting yourself within the same post now. Lets see how many addresses you can claim to have as well shall we.

    “What individuals are you refering to that I am demonising?” – well everyone from Southville for a start. Any one who is local and protests. Anyone who is not local and protests. And you have gone at least 3 days without blaming Tony Dyer and his large white cat.

  26. Richard Lane permalink
    February 7, 2011 7:42 pm

    HarryT
    I assume sacredspring will allow me to post a reply to this off topic post.
    I refer to areas and not wards, Ashton is not in Southville, it is in the ward of Southville for political/administrative reasons only.
    I claim to have no other address than my own, which is in Knowle. Either you have misunderstood my post in which I used a past tense, or you refer to a letter printed in the Evening post wrongly giving my address as Ashtonvale.
    The rest of your post is dreampt up rubbish.

  27. Southville Deli permalink
    February 7, 2011 9:32 pm

    ” Have 35 years direct association with the Ashton area. I lived there for 5 years I bank there, Shop there, socialise there, have family living there, carry out business there. There is no doubt some people of Ashton are concerned, they probably come into your shop to buy their goods. I wouldn’t mind betting that more of your local customers come from the streets behind your shop, rather than the Ashton side of the street. You must know your customer base, I think you are brave enough to reply honestly. What I am saying is that the vast majority of opposition comes from the Southville side of North St.”

    And what I am saying is – that you don’t credit me with knowing where the opposition to the supermarket relocation & doubling in size comes from. Despite my being part of the group opposing it, and despite my working in the locality doing a job that brings me into contact with people from all over the place, and working in the industry that will feel the direct impact of the move.

    It beggars belief.

  28. Richard Lane permalink
    February 8, 2011 6:55 pm

    Southville Deli
    I’m sorry you think like that, I do credit you with knowing where the opposition comes from. That’s why I expected you to answer my question and not avoid it.
    Just like the previous campaign against Tesco, the majority of the opposition comes from within Southville. The Tesno posters that were displayed in windows were counted, 193 in the roads between North St and the Southville centre and 24 in the roads between North St and winterstoke rd. That included two in Ashton Rd directly outside the city ground, which didn’t seem to have any recriminations against them during the whole time they were displayed. Three people carried out that survey which covered all the roads in Ashton and only a small section in Southville.
    To me it does not begger belief.

  29. February 8, 2011 7:43 pm

    Brick through window when nutters go publishing addresses or poster in window?
    People are fearful of the stalkers-including online stalking.
    Look at the abuse and threats the councillors got last year.

    ANY MORE PROMOTION OF YOUR HATE CAMPAIGN=INSTANT BAN

    LAST WORD

  30. Southville Deli permalink
    February 8, 2011 8:27 pm

    Golly, such figures at your finger tips! Who did the count? You, Colin Sexstone & Ole?

    “That included two in Ashton Rd directly outside the city ground, which didn’t seem to have any recriminations against them during the whole time they were displayed”

    Thats good to hear. Its nice that people wouldn’t be moved to intimidate objectors to shut up!

    Writing on OTIB, someone called “Rich” who had joined on 22nd June 2005 wrote on

    22nd July 2010

    “May I suggest that people go to North Street for the first home game.Go into the Tobacco Factory and any shops known to oppose the plans (Southville Deli), ask for items they won’t sell, leave en mass and retire to the pubs/shops on Ashton Rd. Leaving North Street deserted apart from the locals. Everyone will be in the area anyway, and it will make a statement to the retailers of how much BCFC and it supporters bring to the area”

    And this was a mild one..

  31. Richard Lane permalink
    February 8, 2011 10:45 pm

    Southville Deli
    I see you haven’t answered my question again, choosing instead to attack the poster. That was my quote and was aimed at the people campaigning against the clubs plans. It was rather a tongue in cheek statement and is by far the most outragious you could have chosen. I made that statement in an attempt to remind people that BCFC and it’s fans are a big part of the community and have a large impact on that community in a positive way. You selected it to try and make it look bad. It’s a shame you spent the time researching material to attack me with rather than researching information to answer the question. The reality is that apart from the Tobacco factory, I have and will continue to support the shops in North St, including yours, no matter how bitter you get.
    I am not associated with either Mr Sextone or Ole, I have never met or spoken to either as far as I know.

  32. Southville Deli permalink
    February 8, 2011 10:56 pm

    Richard,
    I think you only want one answer. And I have suggested you go to the planning office to see scientifically, where the letters ARE coming from.

    Instead you’ve chosen to use the system of how many people posted a TESNO poster in their window in 2009, as a certain indicator that
    A. They’ve written an objection letter this time.
    B. More importantly, If they didn’t put up a poster, they didn’t write a letter.

    The other thing thats wrankling, is this ” I lived here for 5 years once” so I’ve got more right than you to comment…..How does that work then?

  33. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2011 4:31 pm

    Southville Deli
    How many people have written letters to the council is no more scientific than counting how many people put up posters. It is usually the case that objectors write letters with the intention of influencing the decision making process. People that are not against the proposals will not write in support of them, that doesn’t mean they are against them.
    As for representations to the council in letter form, if one person writes a letter for say, the Tobacco factory, then for Frogs, then for Playing out, then for the GBCP, then as a resident, how many people have objected? In my eyes that is one person but represented five times, this is what’s happening.
    Just because I lived in the area for five years does not give me any more rights than you to comment. I have been making that point which includes other associations, to show that I do know the area and it’s people well.

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