Skip to content

Krafty con-merchants, Sainsburys greed-merchants. Spot the difference.

February 8, 2011

Weasel words from the Krafty con-merchants brought 250 years of chocolate making from Frys and Cadburys in Bristol to an end. One stroke of a pen the day after it was taken over despite the disgraceful lies of keeping Somerdale going- direct from the mouths of the oderous Krafty chief executives. Sack all the workforce!-The disgusting krafty cheesemongers prove that corporate vultures are about ripping off communities to jack up their obese bonuses.
These multinationals couldn’t give a monkeys about jobs. And you can’t believe a word they say. They are masters in the art of obfuscation and disinformation.
Which is why the half-baked job figures from the Sainsburys pork pie merchants have to be taken with a pinch of salt. They’ve belched out job creation stories like beans from a basics baked beans can. Like last time they expanded at Winterstoke. They had 500 employees and told councillors and everyone else that they would employ another 250. Yes thats 750 jobs employed currently at Winterstoke according to my complex job calculations.

SO WHY DO SAINSBURYS STATE TO THE COUNCIL THAT THE WINTERSTOKE STORE CURRENTLY EMPLOYS 354 STAFF OF WHICH 278 ARE PART TIME?????

True to form, jobs will gradually melt away. As every good corporate vulture knows-jobs cost money and reduce bonuses and share dividends.

And the jobs lost in local small businesses damaged by the Mega-shop will stay away.

Its a fact that new and expanded superstores result in a net overall loss of jobs locally.

A 1998 study by the National Retailer Planning Forum (NRPF) examining the employment impacts of 93 superstore openings between 1991 and 1994 found that they resulted in a net loss of more than 25,000 jobs or 276 per store opened

http://www.stopsainsburys.co.uk/seven-myths/myth-1-jobs/

Advertisements
30 Comments
  1. Richard Lane permalink
    February 8, 2011 7:19 pm

    Sacredspring
    How can you compare the purchase of a competitor with the intention to close and asset strip that competitor, with the proposed increase in business through business expansion?

    Was the 1998 study carried out on stores opened in town locations or city locations?
    I can understand when a new store is opened in a country town, where none existed before, it having a detrimental effect on the local retail businesses.
    That is not the situation here. The store already exists, already competes and already has customers travellingt to it via the local infrastructure. It is located in a major city with a massive catchment area adjacent to a major road network. It will increase the amount of jobs available, even if you say they will diminish over time through automation which will happen anyway, at least they will have existed.
    As I see it the reason North St is so successful is because they are good shops giving people what they want. But most importantly they are located in a densely populated area where people can walk to them, this is not the case in rural town situations.

  2. February 8, 2011 7:32 pm

    Sainsburys promised 750 jobs at current Winterstoke store location.
    They admit to only employing 354 of which 278 are part time.
    Sainsburys say anything to get their way to increase profits.
    They cannot be trusted.

    And tomorrow may bring another fatcat takeover where the whole lot are ditched as a new company ‘streamlines’ its workforce.
    Simple capitalist economics that favours the fatcat bully-boys above local communities and people.

  3. Richard Lane permalink
    February 8, 2011 10:06 pm

    Sacredspring
    It doesn’t matter how many times you repeat your speculative stories, that’s all they are, speculative stories.
    Do you know how many jobs promised were part time, or how many were part time that are now full time?
    How do you fancy a communist state? That’s what you seem to prefer from your wild ranting statements.

  4. Richard Lane permalink
    February 8, 2011 10:55 pm

    Sacredspring
    I have tried to make a comparison between proper out of town stores, as in rural towns and a so called out of town stores (yet really in a big city), as portrayed by the opponents of the scheme. This clasification has been grasped by the opponents because the figures for this type of scheme are available and seem to back up their argument. Are there compable figures for stores opened or enlarged within a large city as opposed to in a rural town?
    I await the repeat response.

  5. February 9, 2011 9:59 am

    The sainsburys job promises last time were the opposite of what happened. Their figures cannot be trusted-fact.
    Look forward to seeing any evidence for net increase in local jobs as result of massive Hypermarket.
    Haven’t seen anything yet.

  6. Deano permalink
    February 9, 2011 11:34 am

    Lane, do your own research you lazy sod! Until you do so you are the one making speculative comments.

    The facts are that Sainsburys in their own documentation promised 750 jobs and their own documentation shows that they didn’t deliver them. That’s not speculation that is proven facts documented by Sainsburys themselves with the paperwork available at BCC’s planning dept for all to see.

    Sainsburys are now making similar promises again and it is only right and proper that their job claims should be subject to greater scrutiny this time around following their earlier failure to deliver on their promises.

  7. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2011 4:45 pm

    Deano
    The only facts about Sainsbury’s jobs are, that over a long period of time they reduced in number.
    You nor anybody on here knows how many jobs were actually created, how many were part or full time, or how many would have been lost in that period without the expansion. It is all speculation. As for doing research, when have you done anything other than use someone elses work ? Thanks for the insults.

  8. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 9, 2011 6:14 pm

    If the figures are correct, surely the conclusions can only be that a) they over-estimated the effect the expansion would have on the volume of their business, or b) they overestimated the number of jobs for their own reasons. Either way hardly enhances their reputation.

  9. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2011 7:30 pm

    Paul
    Hi, or the supermarket became more efficient. This happens in business as we all know, some accept that and some want to make an issue of it in their attempt to discredit.
    Pure speculation I know but, how many jobs would have remained had they not expanded?
    People can make claims all day long and get away with it, because the supermarket hardly want to get in a slanging match. No doubt if they produced figures, somebody would question them, it’s a pointless excercise for them and a waste of time.

  10. Southville Deli permalink
    February 9, 2011 8:18 pm

    Richard Lane PERMALINK SacredSpring.word press
    February 8, 2011 10:45 pm
    I am not associated with either Mr Sextone or Ole, I have never met or spoken to either as far as I know

    OTIB
    Posted 06 September 2010 – 09:11 PM
    “OLE
    I wish you were more involved earlier, perhaps you were under a different name. Your knowledge, tenacity and expertise would have been invaluable and we might have seen a different outcome.
    Don’t stop, there’s another battle looming on the horizon, I think.
    Rich

  11. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2011 8:37 pm

    Southville Deli
    I repeat I have never spoken to or met either. What is your point?

  12. harryT permalink
    February 10, 2011 8:50 am

    Rich – this is the best evidence of a conspiracy I have seen.

    I think we need to be told more about your links with Ole/Mike Ford and the Evening Post.

  13. Richard Lane permalink
    February 10, 2011 9:52 am

    HarryT
    You are easily led, bring it on.
    Mike Ford used to upset people with his stereotypical comments and said well done to me once or twice through the papers website for exposing exagerations and misrepresentations, like in this topic.
    He’s a former columnist in the post , just like George Ferguson was before he to was sacked.
    As I’ve said about Ole, I’ve never met or spoken to him and don’t know him.
    I’ve had some letters in the Evening Post and had a story about my petition.
    Conspiracy? I thought we weren’t allowed to talk about those, oh yes, I forgot about the double standard when applying the rules.

  14. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 10, 2011 11:19 am

    If Mike Ford was real, and I doubt this very much, he obviously didn’t get about very much because his knowledge of the area was so limited that I had him down early on as an imposter.

  15. Raynes Roader permalink
    February 10, 2011 4:14 pm

    Now Richard,

    Mike Ford too, was “sacked”? What for?

  16. Rob F, Evening Post Dog Walker permalink
    February 10, 2011 4:26 pm

    I think that you will find that “Mike Ford” and “Ole” were one and the same person.

    Wonder who he is posting as now?

  17. Raynes Roader permalink
    February 10, 2011 5:07 pm

    Oh he’s still writing – and very eloquently –

    Ole 25th July 2010 10:14am

    “Yesterday morning I spoke to one of the traders on North Street who had been against the plans from the start. There was a relief tempered with a reservedness borne out of an appreciation that their interests had simply been vindicated and the preference of many of their own customers had not”
    In short, not celebrating, just relieved and aware that this isn’t popular with a lot of us, simply good for their personal interests”

    Mike Ford Column 3rd Feb 2010
    “I have been reading a lot of views on people’s blogs and twitter this week, and this comment from “Rob F” caught my eye for its brilliance. “[These self serving Southville residents are] creating a gentrified extension to Southville for a more well heeled community to gravitate round the local park and the Tobacco Factory. No one will need reminding that the area already has an excess of over-priced new apartments and housing built expressly to cater to those from more affluent areas outside of Bedminster who came to see the area as progressive in house prices and a safe investment.””

    Richard Lane PERMALINK
    February 9, 2011 8:37 pm
    Southville Deli
    I repeat I have never spoken to or met either. What is your point?

    OTIB
    Posted 06 September 2010 – 09:11 PM
    “OLE
    I wish you were more involved earlier, perhaps you were under a different name. Your knowledge, tenacity and expertise would have been invaluable and we might have seen a different outcome.
    Don’t stop, there’s another battle looming on the horizon, I think.
    Rich

  18. Richard Lane permalink
    February 10, 2011 10:25 pm

    Paul
    I think Mike Ford was something to do with UWE, I also think he drank or served in the coopers.

    Raynes Roader
    I don’t know if he was sacked but he was not further employed (same thing really), he just went missing from the pages.
    As for Ole, Perhaps I am old fashioned and use the term Spoken as an explanation for words that have come out of my mouth, as opposed to the written word. I have no Idea who he is and have not had any dealings with him.
    How do you know he’s still writing? The two examples you gave are dated from July 2010 and February 2010 over a year ago. He may have leaft the country for all we know.

  19. Raynes Roader permalink
    February 11, 2011 1:19 pm

    OTIB
    Jimtastic 23rd July 2010 – 1:48pm replying to TomF

    Well done Rob and also to everyone on here for being so united at the moment.

    Together we can achieve the right result for our club if we all get stuck in. Liking the positivity on OTIB today, we shall win, we shall get our stadium.

    The penny drops. Is Ole Mr Fernandes?

    *slaps head*

    This post has been edited by jimtastic: 23 July 2010 – 01:53 PM

    OTIB 23rd July 2010

    Ole
    “It doesn’t even need saying to those who know it,but , err, the sprawling Southville Deli on North street is run by the chief agitators of the Green & Liberal protest group, he also owns some nearby shops”

    Mike Ford Column 3rd Feb 2010
    “I have been reading a lot of views on people’s blogs and twitter this week, and this comment from “Rob F” caught my eye for its brilliance. “[These self serving Southville residents are] creating a gentrified extension to Southville for a more well heeled community to gravitate round the local park and the Tobacco Factory. No one will need reminding that the area already has an excess of over-priced new apartments and housing built expressly to cater to those from more affluent areas outside of Bedminster who came to see the area as progressive in house prices and a safe investment.””

    Is this the same Rob F that was educated at Clifton College ( & preparatory school) & that has made sure he invested in a couple of North Street flats himself, before prices really lifted?

  20. Southville Deli permalink
    February 11, 2011 7:47 pm

    Erm thanks Raynes Roader..
    I already knew the majority of this. The guy lives on the top floor above Bet Fred. He’s a good writer,and if you’re gullible, you’ll believe it all.

    Talk about shitting on your own doorstep.

  21. Southville Deli permalink
    February 11, 2011 7:48 pm

    “RobF” I mean. Not you!

  22. Richard Lane permalink
    February 12, 2011 12:46 pm

    Southville Deli
    I note he hasn’t told everyone where you live. Bit naughty.

  23. Southville Deli permalink
    February 12, 2011 2:32 pm

    He’s welcome to Richard. Though the fact that I can be found in my shop most days, and that
    his windows look down into it, and that you too may walk into it freely, might be enough?

  24. BobS permalink
    February 12, 2011 4:11 pm

    Actually Rich, RobF/Ole printed a nice google map on Otib showing the homes of many of the objectors to the supermarket. Given that he claimed this to be fair I’m sure he will have no objection.

  25. Southville Deli permalink
    February 12, 2011 5:38 pm

    “I deliberately shop at supermarkets over local shops because if I walk down North Street I slip in the vomit that involuntarily shoots from my mouth when faced with all the smug feckless look at me I have a 100% mortgage on a house thats 75K over its actually market price because theres a Deli on the corner, scum”

    14-Sep 2009

  26. Richard Lane permalink
    February 12, 2011 5:52 pm

    BobS
    Perhaps he did, but that information was readily available. More importantly those objectors must have readily given out that information. Otherwise he would not have been able to do it.
    In this instance his address was not available, until Southville Deli made it public.
    I don’t think it’s the right thing to do, no matter what side you agree with.
    Southville Deli, by using that title means you’d have to be pretty thick not to know where it eminates from.
    You seem to have survived without being attacked yet.
    There have been many references to retribution and abuse being lobbied at the opposition, yet we never hear of it actually happening, or see the evidence.
    We all know that from the very begining there have been accusations flying about of this and that, but no evidence.
    I know, it must be the evil post suppressing those stories.

  27. Richard Lane permalink
    February 12, 2011 5:56 pm

    Southville Deli
    Please explain this comment, then read some of the past comments from some of the posters on here.
    “I deliberately shop at supermarkets over local shops because if I walk down North Street I slip in the vomit that involuntarily shoots from my mouth when faced with all the smug feckless look at me I have a 100% mortgage on a house thats 75K over its actually market price because theres a Deli on the corner, scum”

  28. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 12, 2011 6:23 pm

    To use a football term, can we get back to “playing the ball, not the man”.

  29. Southville Deli permalink
    February 12, 2011 6:39 pm

    I’m not explaining it. Its self explanatry . Theres plenty more like this – plenty that refers to the Deli/North Street. And don’t think I’m not expecting a brick through a window, though he wouldn’t throw it himself.

    His comments regularly appeared in the city’s only newspaper with the blessing of the editor – and they are vile.

    If it was directed at you through such a medium, I’d say you were being bullied, regardless of which “side” you were on.

    He was writing this stuff, watching our shop, and smiling & saying Hello in the street at the same time.

    The level of written hatred directed towards the hardworking people on North Street by him, few of whom have the benefit of a Clifton college education, is stunning. And it is coming anonymously from someone who has CHOSEN to site themselves right in the middle of it. Its almost perverse.

    I am only trying to make a living. I did not come into this for fights against Superstores or journalists – I’ve just stood up for something I believe in. As you have.

    This is my last post Richard.

  30. Richard Lane permalink
    February 12, 2011 7:25 pm

    Southville Deli
    I wanted to know where it had come from, as there was no reference.
    I have to say that it’s hardly anonymous if you know where it’s coming from.
    I have also been the subject of many comments from detractors of the schemes. You seem to forget that those comments are printed on a website, they are not printed in the paper, anyone can say or call you anything they want, it’s completely different.
    Though I agree there should be some better sort of moderation to the site, to prevent the loonies getting away with horrible posts.
    Good luck
    Rich.

Comments are closed.