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‘Development’ of greenbelt = destruction

October 21, 2011

YOU ARE A GUEST OF NATURE

BEHAVE
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For too long the money motivated and cash-rich merchants of greed have usurped the ‘development’ word to equate with their agenda.
So to ‘develop’ an area of land is to drag it from a backward and essentially useless and unworthy state into something that epitomises their definition of progress and expansion.
So to rip off a piece of natural greenspace and plonk a massive load of concrete and tarmac is somehow development.
Which is a complete fallacy, when the development of the concrete equals the destruction of the existing landscape and environment.
Take an example of greedy multinational gold mining firms in South America. They want to dig out whole mountain sides in the Andes to extract the ore. Local residents actually like their mountains and campaign to save them from the development. Because they know from bitter experience that the wealth generated with dodgy government deals won’t reach them. Instead, they will be left with a legacy of destroyed and poisoned environment, where even the water supply is contaminated or dried up.
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What’s that got to do with round here? Take the development of quarries in the Cotswolds-development of quarries miles away may lead to destruction of the ancient underground aquifers and water courses that have supplied the hot-springs at Bath for thousands of years.
And at Ashton Vale the massive building works planned by the offshore speculator is set to ravage the open fields, flood meadows and brooks of one of the outstanding areas of natural environment in Bristol. Take a walk down Barons Close, along the tree lined Colliters Brook and look across the meadows to Long Ashton and the misty hills behind. Enjoy it while it lasts. The concrete merchants are near, sharpening their profit stained nails, ready to munch the land and mould it in their corpulent image.

Spot the difference :
Basildon Council spend £14m++ evicting travellers preventing development of Dale Farm greenbelt.
Bristol Council spend £10m++ helping a man who’s travelled offshore to develop Ashton Vale greenbelt.

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18 Comments
  1. Richard Lane permalink
    October 21, 2011 4:17 pm

    What a lovely piece of fiction writing. Here comes the four horsemen.

    Tell me, did you or do you, still play those fantasy battle games?

    Meadows, brooks, trees. Your in a dreamland. No brooks will be affected no meadows will be affected and no trees will be affected. The development as you know, will be on the land formerly used as a tip, just as the park and ride has and the tennis centre before. In fact there will be a massive increase in the number of trees after the development, surely an improvement to nature, and a definate improvement on 19 years ago. Wakey wakey time to get up

    I’ve been waiting for this new topic, so that BobS and the Bristol Blogger can accuse me of saying the opposite of what I have actually posted, just as they did in the last topic.

  2. Dolman B permalink
    October 21, 2011 5:10 pm

    “I’ve been waiting for this new topic…..”

    Sad. Think you need to get a life fella….

    You do realise that all your whining on this site will make absolutely no difference to what happens don’t you. Court cases aren’t won by people sat on their arses moaning at the world and his dog.

    What have you done to help get the stadium built? Sweet FA!

    While some of us have been contributing to the campaign to get the stadium built you have done nothing. Why do you think you were sat in a row on your own at the Ashton Vale meeting? If this goes tits-up a large part of the blame will be because of your arrogant comments winding up the other side.

    Do the club a favour and shut your gob, both here and on OTIB. If you have anything useful that might be useful to support the case against the Town Greeners give it to the club not the other team!!!! Pillock.

    As for the rest of you, just remember that just because you have managed to get one idiot to comment on your site, it doesn’t mean the rest of us are as dumb as he is….

  3. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    October 21, 2011 5:31 pm

    I think you will find it’s the quarries of the Mendips which effect the water supply to the hot springs of Bath, but I do get the point. Not a very good analogy to draw however, between people taking over GB land without planning, and those who, however questionable you may think, have actually been granted it. If you want to see a more relevant comparison, look up the case of Wycombe Wanderers FC, who planned to sale their present ground for development (that word again) after the last Labour Gov. so kindly removed it from the GB and vastly increased its’ value. They then planned a new ground in the GB, but were turned down for the new site by their local council because it was just that, GB. Nice work if you can get it, but in this case they couldn’t.

  4. thebristolblogger permalink
    October 21, 2011 7:35 pm

    Dickie! You’re back! And rewriting history:

    I’ve been waiting for this new topic, so that BobS and the Bristol Blogger can accuse me of saying the opposite of what I have actually posted, just as they did in the last topic.

    Dickie, you know perfectly well that in the last thread you demonstrably didn’t know the difference between a boy scout-style map workshop to help Will Godfey get his Boy Scouts map making badge and a Judicial Review in the High Court.

  5. October 21, 2011 7:51 pm

    That be a stinging dressing down of Mr Lane. A bit of dissent in the ranks?
    Lane is obviously wrong on the destruction facts as trees and hedgerows have already been grubbed up.
    The landfill was no doubt promoted as development at the time -the errors of judgement were made through ignorance and now we surleyhave a more enlightened view of the environment.
    Just as the greed merchants and council Burghers got to within a hairs breadth of landfilling all the docks a couple of decades earlier, but for a band of dedicated protestors. Filling in the docks would have been good for development-think how many blocks of faceless flats could be built or how many more ugly greed merchant office blocks could have been developed!
    Paul-you’re right about the Bath water be from Mendips, I should know my spring sources. I picked up on the recent shale gas ‘fracking’ developments as possibly damaging the hot springs.
    http://www.thisisbath.co.uk/Assurance-Bath-s-hot-springs/story-13545767-detail/story.html

  6. Richard Lane permalink
    October 21, 2011 9:57 pm

    Blagger Baby
    I refer to this misrepresentation of things when you said: “You’re living in your own delusionary little world. It is not the job of a High Court Judge to differentiate the TVG land from the development land”. I agree, as I had already said that no high court judge will don his wellies to differentiate the areas of the TVG, You obviously thought and claimed that I had implied he would.

    Nice plant, Dolman B My ass. There was a Dolman D on otib. But this invention is laughable. How low can you lot go?
    Two statements that give this away completely.
    1. What have you done to help get the stadium built? Sweet FA!
    2.While some of us have been contributing to the campaign to get the stadium built you have done nothing.
    For if it were someone campaigning for the stadium, they would know.

  7. Richard Lane permalink
    October 21, 2011 10:07 pm

    Sacredspring
    It depends on your decription of a tree. I suppose shrubs and scrubland might, in some circles be described as trees. I prefer to describe it as scrubland and bramble.

  8. October 22, 2011 8:01 am

    Hawthorn and Blackthorn hedgerows =very important =they need protecting not grubbing up illegally.
    Mr Lane is a good dodgy ‘developer’.
    You have no respect for nature.
    Development =Destruction

  9. Thomas permalink
    October 22, 2011 10:27 am

    Does that suggestion that destruction of your home would meet your views on developing the world?

  10. Bobs permalink
    October 22, 2011 11:47 am

    So Rich. Tell us more about this Ashton Vale meeting when you were sat on a row on your own.

  11. Richard Lane permalink
    October 22, 2011 3:59 pm

    Sacredspring
    For destruction read = removing growth to allow water to flow properly through the drainage ditches.

    BobS/Dolman B
    I attended the TVG meeting and had a prime seat in the front row, because I turned up early. I watched and heard the representations of people for and against the application, including the bloke who was very proud that he’d been pissed up many times on that plot of land. Were you there?

  12. Richard Lane permalink
    October 22, 2011 4:05 pm

    Paul
    How bist? I prefer the analogy of Brighton and BCFC. Where Brighton applied for a new ground in a very sensitive location, (not a former tip). Got it turned down and had a hell of a fight to get it through the planning stages over a number of years. They are now playing and being very successful in that new stadium.

  13. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    October 22, 2011 4:48 pm

    Hi Rich. Yes, this is indeed another example and a sad one, as their new stadium was built on countryside that could not even be claimed as “an old landfill” and claimed by many as “outstanding”. Slight difference is WW played the trick of getting a stadium partly in the GB, taken out to increase its’ value, and then wanting to build again in the GB and pocket the profit. And of course it’s not only football clubs who do this. At least Brighton could claim to having no proper ground of their own. Whats the capacity of this new ground that is bringing them such success? As for Dolman B, there was a Dolman Bob who posted on some sites, but I don’t suppose that really proves anything!

  14. Richard Lane permalink
    October 22, 2011 5:49 pm

    Hi Paul
    I don’t think it’s just the new ground that’s bringing them success. It seems to have played a big part in attracting and keeping their manager and some players (notably Craig Mackail Smith) which helps to create success. The capacity is around 21/22,000 I haven’t looked it up. Personally I don’t know how they did manage to get their plans passed in the area that it’s been built, but they did, and seem to be thriving.
    Maybe Wycombe Wanderers might not be a fair analogy to make, as they were doing it for finacial gain.
    So unless the new stadium is sold to try and realise a profit, there is no finacial gain, and who would buy it anyway?

  15. bobs permalink
    October 22, 2011 6:01 pm

    Rich – You need to tell Dolman B how you have been lettting BCFC officers post in your name.

    Bet few other fans have done that.

  16. bobs permalink
    October 22, 2011 6:04 pm

    Oh – and the proof that Dolman B is for real is that he wants you to shut up.

  17. October 22, 2011 7:37 pm

    Personally I don’t know how they did manage to get their plans passed in the area

    Lane, don’t be so thick, you know all about dodgy deals. That fat Yorkshire pudding John Prescott approved the plans despite Lewes and Falmer council rejecting them. According to the BBC he was bribed with a steak and kidney pie and a glass of water (‘pie-gate‘).
    Here’s an excellent blog from an Ipswich councillor giving the lowdown on the below the belt stadium dealing-Alisdair Ross
    Greenbelt thieving scores highly on the new stadium poker table.

  18. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    October 24, 2011 1:17 pm

    Sacredspring.
    I think you will find it was another discredited New Labour minister who actually gave the go-ahead, that “darling” of the GB movement, Hazel Blears. She got confused into thinking that paying Capital Gains Tax did not apply to MPs’ and was forced to resign. One MP who was actually imprisoned over the expenses saga said recently on Newsnight, that there were at least 100 others who had did the same or more worse than him and had not even been investigated. Nothings fair nowadays!

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