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Bristol Mayor debate hotting up..new poll!

February 7, 2012

I will be doing regular polls in the run up to the mayors election. This is a serious exercise in guaging Bristol public opinion over this powerful new position.
Results will be collated and published near to the election to help citizens identify what qualities will best befit the new Mayor of Bristol.

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40 Comments
  1. Richard Lane permalink
    February 7, 2012 6:28 pm

    Not a lot of support for old red trousers yet!.

    Seriously, do you honestly think this is a blogsite that is representative of Bristol opinion?
    I would agree that it is representative of a certain political opinion.

    Using this site and the opinions held of the majority of posters, would be tantamount to guaging the opinion of Bristolians, by using the local BNP blogsite (if there is such a thing) as an example in the opposite.

    There’s one person who would win hands down that springs to mind, though he might not qualify, as he lives in Guernsey. I think he’s already had enough of dealing with
    certain people though, in his quest to improve things for the majority of people in Bristol.

  2. Dickie's overused forelock permalink
    February 7, 2012 8:03 pm

    Of course it is a serious gauging of Bristol opinion.

    Whatever gave you the idea it might not be serious?

    BTW Steve Lansdown definitely would not win, I can say that with the same level of authority that you can say he would definitely win. None.

  3. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 8, 2012 7:55 pm

    Hi Rich. I’m sure that many people on this site think they are doing whats best for Bristol. We all want whats best otherwise we would spend our time doing other things. It’s just we share differring views and different aims. Your choice has done much for proffessional football and, now it’s confirmed, the rugby club as well, but fortunately, a city is not only judged on it’s sporting prowess. Infact Bristol is a far more sporting city than is made out, and thats because far more people participate themselves, than watch pros. playing, and good for them. The natural and built environment brings many visitors who love our city because of it, but I certainly would not want a Lord Mayor who has that as their main interest, just like someone from the Business World,(not referring to SL) mainly because they normally put financial success above all else. It’s often claimed we need a “strong” person to bring this city into the 21st century, but that usually means a person with fixed views and not up for compromise, all very well if there doing what you want, but a disaster if they are not. So somebody who can see both sides, tells the truth at all times,( which will rule out quite a few ) , not a politician, and has experience of all parts of this varied ( diverse ) city. Preferably a Bristolian who speaks “proper Bristol”. Otherwise, stick with the Status Quo ( or any other old rock band).

  4. bigredrichRichard Lane permalink
    February 8, 2012 8:42 pm

    I agree with your sentiments, with the exception of a strong person requirement. Surely there needs to be a level of administration, that can tell, when a group of campaigners claiming to represent a large group of people, are in fact very few in number, just represented many times.
    This leads to the minority actually getting more done for them, because they are pro-active.
    I suppose you could say that about the business community, which is very successful in our city, fortunately something is. The same cannot be said about public financed (or not) schemes because the council are too weak to make a decision for fear of upsetting some group somewhere.

    Can you tell me the last time our sporting community were successful at a top level, seeing as many people compete, as you rightly point out. As an example, how many footballers, athletes, swimmers or any other sports people succeed at a high level when compared to say Liverpool, a city with cronic social problems yet better represented at most things compared to Bristol.

  5. February 9, 2012 1:26 am

    As an example, how many footballers, athletes, swimmers or any other sports people succeed at a high level when compared to say Liverpool, a city with cronic social problems yet better represented at most things compared to Bristol.

    No evidence given just a sweeping statement. If Liverpool or any other city is so good you can always move there. BigYawnLane You are one of the depressing nockers of your home town revelling in self pity measuring the city’s success by a group of overpaid second rate ball hoofers.
    Now then dear, take some more happy tablets, google your beloved mayor free city and read up on what a good place with such nice people you are lucky to live in soon to be made even greener by the new mayor.

    Based on its environmental performance, quality of life, future-proofing and how well it is addressing climate change, recycling and biodiversity, Bristol was ranked as the UK’s most sustainable city, topping environmental charity Forum for the Future’s Sustainable Cities Index 2008.

    In 2010, PRS for Music announced that Bristol is the most musical city in the UK, based on the number of its members born in Bristol in relation to the size of its population

  6. Deano permalink
    February 9, 2012 9:51 am

    What an Elected Mayor might be able to do is to distinguish between a real petition set up by somebody living in the area concerned signed mostly by residents of that area because they have real concerns about something being built in their area – like a supermarket – that they believe would have negative effects on the area where they live and able to distinguish that from the sort of petition set up by somebody with ulterior motives who doesn’t even live in the area and who doesn’t really care about the area, a petition that supports something – like a supermarket – not because he thinks it would be good for the area in question but because he believes it will supply the funding for something he does believe in – a football stadium, a petition that is mostly signed by people from outside the area in question who similarly only care about the funding for the stadium.

    If an Elected Mayor is able to recognise that sort of person for what they really are, then I might be tempted to vote for one.

  7. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2012 5:27 pm

    Sacredspring
    I didn’t give any evidence as there is none to give. I set you the question to show me evidence of what our city produces in terms of achievements in the sporting world.
    We in our city of Bristol do not produce sportsmen and women that regularly reach the top of their chosen sports, whichever sport you choose. We have no decent stadia, no decent sized swimming pools, no decent athletics ground, soon no ice rink, no decent cricket ground, none of our decrepit facilities help this situation. We constantly hear of dedicated people, that have to travel out of the region in order to use decent facilities in order to progress in their chosen sport.

    We also have no decent venue for our multitude of musicians, should any of them ever reach what could be called A list status, for them to perform in. How many more things are we missing?

    You totally misrepresent my views when easily suggesting that I move. The mistake you make is, that I do love my city, I want the best for it, am willing to do my best for it and will continue to do so. You on the other hand are doing your utmost to hold this city back.

    So we’re good at addressing climate change in Bristol, Headline “Bristols recycling saves the world” you muppet, you are referring to miniscule attempts from our council to show how good they are at doing something. The reality is, they have done very little to progress our city, for anything other than minority groups demands.

    We have no transport system or policy, other than restricting existing road use.
    We don’t have the strength of politician who will address these issues, for fear of upsetting someone who can represent themselves six times, to the council, using different different organisations to do so.

    Deano
    your local petition was started and signed by many people outside of the area concerned, by that I mean Ashton. There were many signatures from southville residents, their children, their pupils, their dogs and cats, their work colleagues, their political colleagues and their pets. The political decisions for the green party were decided by a green party activuist from Knowle, and aided and abbetted by a green party activist from Chipping Sodbury. Don’t give me that shit about not coming from the area.

  8. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 9, 2012 6:42 pm

    Hi Rich. Agree about facilities, so have just looked up the Cardiff Arena to see why that is always used as an example of us being so “backward” and not getting World Class acts. Look it up youself, you will probably be as surprised as me. Holiday on Ice, Strictly come dancing, Boxing, X factor, C Beebies, nobody who I would consider World Class unless you like Westlife or JLS. and there’s Jules Holland, 4 Tops and The Temptations who I’v seen here in Bristol anyway. Now I,m not saying these shows coming
    here would not be great, but it’s another example of going over the top by some people to knock the council or make their point.

  9. February 9, 2012 8:37 pm

    We have a top quality dedicated gymnastics centre at Hartcliffe with many aspiring champions. The new 50 metre pool centre at Hengrove will open at the end of this month, many countries around the world will be envious of this.
    Mr Lane why dont you go and tell Gareth Chilcott that he’s a bald headed overweight underacheiving muppet, cos he went to a local skool in Ashton? In fact if you got off your fat backside and looked around you’d see thousands of sporting winners across the city every week.

  10. Deano permalink
    February 9, 2012 9:57 pm

    “Don’t give me that shit about not coming from the area”

    You just don’t like the truth.

    The petition against the supermarket was started by somebody who lived in the area, and was signed predominantly by people who lived in the area.

    The fact is that you started up a petition about a supermarket that you had no interest in because you wanted a football stadium. And that petition was signed almost entirely by people who just like you lived outside the Greater Bedminster area and similarly couldn’t give a shit about the supermarket.

    Would you still have started a petition for the supermarket even if the new stadium wasn’t dependent on it?

    Of course not . You wouldn’t have given a shit.

    “I do love my city, I want the best for it, am willing to do my best for it and will continue to do so”

    But you have, by your own admission, done nothing. What was it you said?

    “The difference between myself and those others mentioned, is that they are actually affecting the situation with their actions, rather than commenting on the situation like myself”

    Sums Lane up, he is “willing to do my best” for Bristol as long as it doesn’t actually involve him doing something that might involve him actually taking any action, instead he will just comment on how crap he thinks Bristol is! You couldn’t make it up!

  11. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2012 10:56 pm

    Deano
    I don’t like your version of the truth, it is perverted by your twisted outlook.

    The petition was started by the green party councillor that did not live in the area of Ashton, he does not come from Bristol, he only wants to influence what happens in Bristol to suit his political ideals.You claim the people signing the petition against the supermarket were coming predominantly from the area, that would be the case obviously, as it was open predominantly to people from the area and promoted to people within the area, as well as in schools and colleges under the influence of teachers, so I’m informed. The fact that so few people from the area actually signed it in total, is proof of the low level opposition to the supermarket, when you take into account the amount of children and pets that signed.

    My petition was as I’ve said before, as a response only. IT was started to redress the balance slightly. It was not promoted or available in the area to sign, yet still managed many signatures from the area, that weren’t from children and pets.

    My petition was started as a response, in an attempt to redress the balance, which in my opinion, after following it for a while, was distorted beyound belief by those in opposition. You are correct, it was not for my love of one or another type of supermarket, it was because there were so many lies and exagerations being told about the possible effects.
    These persist to this day.

    The stadium never depended on the supermarket, Mr Lansdown said, that if this is not successful, then funds would have to be found from another source. Only after so many stories were printed in the EP stating that the stadium was dependent on the supermarket plans, did Colin Sextone say “no supermarket no stadium” Mr Lansdown was constantly accused by Sacredspring and others of making these statements, yet they were the same statements printed by the EP on a daily basis wrongly credited to Mr Lansdown.

    As for doing something for Bristol. By fighting you lot and showing you for what you arewith your distortions and exagerations and wanting to stop everything that needs to be done for Bristol, I am in fact doing something. If it were left up to the likes of you, we would soon be back in the dark ages, riding penny farthings with gas lamps on street corners and rickets.How you can comment on what you think I might or might not have done for Bristol is unbelieveable.

  12. thebristolblogger permalink
    February 9, 2012 11:11 pm

    Dickie for mayor!

  13. thebristolblogger permalink
    February 9, 2012 11:11 pm

    … Of Liverpool.

  14. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2012 11:17 pm

    Sacredspring
    Gareth Chillcott is a very good example of how few top quality sportspeople we have produced from Bristol.. He amassed fourteen caps playing for his country, the last one over twenty years ago, he did not represent Bristol, opting to play in the much smaller city of Bath, who happened to be (unfortunately) better than Bristol. Let’s hope that changes.

    We may well have thousands of sporting winners across Bristol, unfortunately, none of them are at the highest level in the more popular sports, and tend to be regional winners which is to be expected. Our arts are woeful as well come to that. This is not unexpected when you consider the poor facilities we have. Hopefully the new pool, 50 years too late will help. We might produce the odd rugger fellow or possibly cricket chappie, what about a Bristolian footballer

    Paul
    You seem to be forgetting that the big acts that do perform in Cardiff, do so at the other venue, the millenium stadium. We have nothing to compare with either venue.
    The people mentioning Cardiff also mention Birmingham and London as alternative venues in their argument oif having to travel to a big venue for a major act, Birmingham has two.

  15. Richard Lane permalink
    February 9, 2012 11:18 pm

    BB
    It’s Lane not whittington.

  16. February 10, 2012 1:15 am

    Our arts are woeful as well come to that

    This is a complete and utter lie. The prospective mayor loves to slag off his home town. No votes for lane.

  17. Richard Lane permalink
    February 10, 2012 7:05 am

    Sacredspring
    Not slagging off my own town, merely highlighting that it underachieves in so many fields. I want the best for my city and will try to help in whatever way possible. You on the other hand do your utmost to deny the city the proper facilities that others have. It is you that is against developments, with your words and actions, I am for them.
    You live in a city that has developed over the years, it has all sorts of trappings that you benefit from. I suggest that if you don’t like these trappings and natural developments, then it is you that should move out and the quicker the better. You seem more suited to a kibutz, try forming one on the mendips with your mates and let us get on with the real world.

  18. Richard Lane permalink
    February 10, 2012 7:15 am

    Sacredspring for mayor.
    Policy Document:
    Deny all new developments.
    Knock down all shops over 100M2.
    Free bikes for all, including the disabled and elderly.
    Ban all privately owned vehicles.
    Deny all sporting clubs facilities on a par with other clubs.
    Introduce rickshaws for the new transport system.
    Revert to gas lamp street lighting.
    Ban or attack anyone that disagrees with you, yet advocate free speach.
    Provide every citizen with a trolley to transport their goods.
    Deny access and travel to other cities, to deny knowledge, while stating saving energy as the reason to deny travel.

  19. Deano permalink
    February 10, 2012 8:40 am

    The person perverting the truth is you Lane, who has been caught out time and time again relying on “facts” that are then revealed to be false.

    “The petition was started by the green party councillor that did not live in the area of Ashton”

    The petition was started by the Green Party councillor for the ward that the supermarket will be in. He only started the petition after knocking on the doors of residents in Ashton Gate to find out what they thought. This included my brother and his family who had been told nothing by the club. They later signed the paper version of the petition as did both his neighbours and their other neighbours because they didn’t want a supermarket. Only when it became clear that the overwhelming majority of residents in the area didn’t want the new supermarket did the councillor start his petition.

    Whose opinions did you ask Lane before starting your petition?

    The fact is that more people in the area signed the petitions against the supermarket then signed in favour of the supermarket, and you can try and twist this fact, and lie about who signed it but that is the simple underlying fact. But if you want to do down this route;

    “The fact that so few people from the area actually signed it in total, is proof of the low level opposition to the supermarket”

    There are 400,000 people living in the city of Bristol, about a million living in the former Avon area but only 13,000 attend matches at Ashton Gate and only 30,000 signed the petition in favour of the stadium despite the fact that people from all over UK (Brighton, Norwich, Nn Ireland, etc) and even further abroad (USA, Sweden, etc) “and their pets” were asked to sign it.

    The fact that so few people from the Bristol area actually signed it in total or even attend City games now, is proof of the low level support for the stadum. Well done Lane, classic

    The fact is that you simply don’t like the truth.

  20. Deano permalink
    February 10, 2012 8:44 am

    “How you can comment on what you think I might or might not have done for Bristol is unbelieveable”

    You pillock, You were the one that said you had had no affect.

    Remember; “The difference between myself and those others mentioned, is that they are actually affecting the situation with their actions, rather than commenting on the situation like myself”

    So have you been affecting the situation or not?

  21. bobs permalink
    February 10, 2012 10:49 am

    Sport is about taking part not winning. On every weekend, more people actually play football in this city than watch it. We have the oldest continual FA league in the Downs League.

    My son plays for a local team which puts out A, B and C teams every saturday and his club has a choice of 3 FA leagues and 2 friendly leagues to play in. Within a short distance from my house are 10 separate Boys’ football teams and 3 girls teams. There is no part of the city excluded from this richness of access to sport.

    In summer, we have extremely active Cricket leagues. There are numerous 5 a side leagues, netball leagues, running clubs, and godknows how many other sporting clubs.

    There is no better city in the country for participating in sport. There are only two problems:

    1. the green open spaces being used to play and practice sport are being eaten up by greedy property developers who are too greedy to use derelict land first and a council too shite to defend these spaces

    2. people like Lane and Lansdown only value sport if it involves sitting on your arse watching it whilst paying for the privilege.

    Richard Lane – you are an Enemy of Bristol. A Mayor siding with Lane and Lansdown will be the death of Bristol Sport (unless you want to pay to watch others do it)

  22. bobs permalink
    February 10, 2012 11:03 am

    Have just read more.

    Lane also seems to be the enemy of Bristol Arts as well as Bristol Sports.Has he ever visited Bristol ?

    Have you not noticed the number of theatres, the number of both professional and amateur plays put on each week ?Have you not noticed the depth and breadth of music venues and the success of Bristol bands ? Have you never seen how many art galleries (both indoor and outdoor) and the number of Bristol based artists ?

    Just where do you live exactly cos even Knowle has an active Arts scene ?

    Or does it only count if it is a band from outside Bristol in an arena ?

  23. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 10, 2012 12:09 pm

    This discussion can go round in circles, but my opinion is we do need better facilities for both the watching of sport,(and I’m not feferring to a new football stadium, but popular indoor sports), and the arts, and Rock bands etc.etc. but somewhere accessable to the whole of Bristol, which basically means in the city and with good transport links. My fear is that those few sites still available are going quickly and people with all different interests should be joining forces to stop this happening.

  24. Richard Lane permalink
    February 11, 2012 12:45 am

    Thank you paul for an honest reply without attacking the poster.

    Not one of the other replies actually addresses the issues that I’ve raised.
    I am not saying and have never said that we don’t compete in sport or have a good sports scene and arts scene. Read this properly: we do not produce many top class sports people or people from the arts such as Bands, when compared to other places. You can deviate as much as you want in your answers but they are not referring to the questions I raised.

    Deano
    Do you not realise how contradictory you derogatory comments are?
    You make one comment stating that I have made a difference with my campaigning, then accuse me of doing nothing, which is it?
    You don’t want to, or can’t get into, your tiny little brain that, the petition I ran was not avilable to sign for residents in Ashton, it was not in the shops or community centres or handed around by campaigning residents. So as such would not attract the interest of the majority of people in the area, unlike the one started by Charlie Bolton, who does not live in Ashton. After all a supermarket does not have to be needed or wanted by the people of an area for others not to want or need it. I suppose you want to have things for your use which might not be in your area should you be denied a voice in that?
    You have highlighted signatures from the stadium petition and not the supermarket petition in your comparison argument, how could you be so stupid as to confuse these petitions?
    Show me the so called facts that I use which you claim are then shown to be untrue. More importantly, prove it, You are full of accusations, followed by claims of lies yet never prove anything, I could go down that avenue and claim that all you have said are lies and that I have proved them to be. I set you questions and you deviate from answering, by attacking the poster.

  25. Deano permalink
    February 11, 2012 7:57 am

    “You make one comment stating that I have made a difference with my campaigning, then accuse me of doing nothing, which is it?”

    Hilarious.

    Richard Lane, you were the one that wrote on this very site; ““The difference between myself and those others mentioned, is that they are actually affecting the situation with their actions, rather than commenting on the situation like myself”

    And then claimed;

    ““I do love my city, I want the best for it, am willing to do my best for it and will continue to do so”

    So what is it? Have you done nothing that has affected the situation or have you actually done something for your city that you claim to love that has made a difference?

    It is not me that is making the ridiculous and contradictory claims it is you.

    As for the petititions, how could you be so stupid not to recognise that if you claim that one petition means nothing because only a relatively small proportion of the resident population signed it, that also applies to the other petition as well? It seems that you want to be able to use particular arguments when they suit you whilst ignoring those same arguments when they don’t.

    Facts that you have used which are untrue, part one.

    “the Ashton Gate car park will remain a car park”

  26. Deano permalink
    February 11, 2012 8:05 am

    “You don’t want to, or can’t get into, your tiny little brain that, the petition I ran was not avilable to sign for residents in Ashton, it was not in the shops or community centres or handed around by campaigning residents. So as such would not attract the interest of the majority of people in the area,”

    Thanks for admitting that the petition you set up was not at all concerned about what the people of the area most affected by the new supermarket actually thought.

    In short, you couldn’t care less what local residents thought, you were only interested in getting as many football fans to sign up as possible to support the supermarket solely because it provided funding for the new stadium

    ” After all a supermarket does not have to be needed or wanted by the people of an area for others not to want or need it.”

    Except of course, that your petition was not aimed at people who needed or wanted the supermarket it was aimed at people who wanted the new stadium, otherwise you would have made some effort to collect signatures from those actually living in the area and more likely to use the proposed supermarket.

    Facts that you have used which are untrue, part two.

    “the town green barrister is being funded by a rich businessman, probably GD (Geoff Dunford, Bristol Rovers director)”

  27. February 11, 2012 9:16 am

    So getting back to the point about a mayor, the first thing we get is the referendum on whether or not we want a Mayor (not the Lord Mayor, which is a councillor elected by the other councillors, but a mayor elected directly by Bristolians).

    That’s on 3rd May and unless people vote yes in that referendum, we won’t be able to vote on which mayor – that election comes in the autumn.

    IF Bristol votes yes to the IDEA of having a mayor this May.

    If we don’t we will miss out. Newcastle’s going for it. Birmingham and Bradford, Coventry and Leeds, Leicester and Manchester, Nottingham and Sheffield.

    They could all get elected mayors and think of how those cities would prosper compared to Bristol if we don’t vote yes in this referendum. So far most Bristolians don’t even seem to realise it’s happening.

    Liverpool has just said yes they’re going to elect a mayor, and they’ve been given £130M by Central Government. It could be a lot of money for Bristol…that’s just the start.

    This is a new way of doing things and Bristol needs to get its act together and get on board otherwise we will miss out.

    Follow the Mayor for Bristol campaign on Twitter @BristolMayor, join Facebook group A Mayor for Bristol, watch the website bristolmayor.org – please help spread the word! We want a good turnout for the vote on May 3rd.

    Also there’s a free public debate Should Bristol have an Elected Mayor?’ at the Council House on 22 February from 7-9 pm: register here if you want to come http://www.bristol.ac.uk/public-engagement/events/2012/68.html

    Loads more info on twitter etc so please join in!

    Here’s a lady saying why Birmingham should have an elected mayor….at least she’s trying!

    http://whatsamayorfor.org.uk/

    happy weekend x

  28. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 12, 2012 6:45 pm

    So Hartlepool elected a monkey, and this encouraged business and finance to flock there. Have I got that right? The Gov. handed over tens of millions to a city with a monkey as a mayor, but reduces spending on everything else. Perverce. I don’t know how many cities there are in this country, but if they all elect mayors, and they all get £130 million from the Gov. and they are all going to benefit, liked the claim from Liverpool, to the tune of £1 billion, can you tell me where all this money and investment is coming from, and are you sure there will be enough for everyone.

  29. February 12, 2012 6:50 pm

    Er, do I allow party political broadcasts on my neutral blog? Ok, this one exception as the
    Mayoral debate is so vital to Bristol.
    Checkout Chistina’s Links and see why a dictatorial Boris type dunce of a mayor is a hideous possibility.

  30. Richard Lane permalink
    February 13, 2012 12:01 am

    Deano
    You really don’t get it do you. Let me try to explain in a way you might be able to understand. When I say I am not affecting the situation, I mean, I am not affecting the situation in a negative way, such as putting up obstacles for the progression of the things for the city of Bristol. Unlike you and the objectors to all the plans, who have done nothing but put up obstacles, with the intention of halting progression. I am merely supporting the plans, by trying to highlight the lies and exgerations which eminate from the opposition groups.
    You make wild claims about the stadium petition, highlighting what amounts to be very few signatures that are not from the region. Disregarding your claims, who are you to say who can sign a petition from wherever they are in the world if they want to have and support those facilities. I know I’m not mistaken when I say the the petition in favour of a TVG was signed by people worldwide and it was promoted on the worldwide web.
    My petition was available for anyone to sign if they wanted a supermarket at Ashton gate. Why they signed it is up to them.
    Of course my petition was aimed at people that wanted a supermarket, why do you think it was titled “say yes to Tesco” and not say yes to the stadium?. Do you think those people that signed it didn’t want a supermarket?
    For your information, the attendance of say 15,000 at a football match, is made up very roughly of about 10,000 who attend every match, 2K that attend every other match and a reducing number that attend at different intervals, usually the attendance is made up from 20,000 people that attend regularly. You are it seems, stupid enough to not know that the level of support is directly associated to the level of success, unless you are just exploiting a temporary situation with your sarcastic childlike comments.

    As for you so called items of fact, the carpark one was a misunderstanding taken from earlier plans, which you know and is totally irrelivent anyway. The reference to the finance for theVG was information passed to me from a prominent member of the DRAG campaign, I was set up as it transpires with irrelivent information anyway. So your two accusations are really futile attempts at trying to score points, basically a dirty low down trick, which I’ve come to expect from people like you. Twisting Deano.

  31. Richard Lane permalink
    February 13, 2012 12:15 am

    Paul
    Are you getting your hart mixed up with your liver?
    At the moment, there are hundreds of millions of pounds in private investment, waiting to be invested into the Bristol economy. Would an elected mayor have made that investment easier to happen than the elected council? Perhaps this is where the investment will come from for cities which is referred to, which currently lies in the banks of wealthy investors, not wanting to get into bed with local councils.

  32. February 13, 2012 11:04 am

    The celebrated half-a-dozen business leaders are rubbing their hands with glee in anticipation of a mayoral bonanza. They are motivated by their profits and bonuses and the next Bentley.
    Now if we really could get a mayor who cares more about a sustainable city than the business boffins bank balances….nah it won’t happen.

  33. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    February 13, 2012 1:56 pm

    Hi Rich. Hundreds of millions is not the same as tens of billions which would be required if all cities take up the chance and match the claims of how much money having a mayor would generate. To me it’s a case of pick a figure out of the air….. you know the rest. What I don’t get is this. If purely having a mayor makes a city successful, why go through the bother of electing one. Just draw lots from the electoral register, an immediate saving. And if the elected one is always a successful one, then why doesn’t this work for local politicians. Why are the voters going to be better at electing a mayor than electing a council?

  34. Deano permalink
    February 13, 2012 2:11 pm

    Lane,

    You are the one that simply doesn’t get it.

    You say one thing, and then when that is demonstrated to be untrue you then claim that you meant something else. You really are the most boldfaced liar imaginable.

    You are also the one that said that “The fact that so few people from the area actually signed it in total, is proof of the low level opposition to the supermarket” and simply don’t like it when I point out the same argument in reverse can be applied to the stadium petition. The fact that so few people people (less than 30,000 out of a population in the Bristol area of over a million) actually signed it in total is proof of the low level support for the stadium. Like a big baby, you throwing your toys out of the pram because you repeatedly undermine your own argument. The simple fact is that more people living in the area where the supermarket is to be built signed the petition against it then signed the one in favour.

    Yes, your petition was Say Yes to Tesco, and yet as you openly admit you concentrated your efforts on getting signatures from football fans not those living in the core catchment area of the store. That fact is that most of the people who signed in favour of the Tesco signed because they believed what you now also admit was a lie by the club – namely No supermarket = no stadium.

    Facts that you have used which are untrue, part three.

    “no cows ever grazed on the Ashton Vale fields”

  35. Richard Lane permalink
    February 14, 2012 7:14 am

    Deano
    You don’t half spout some rubbish.
    Firstly those people in Bristol that are involved/interested/go to football, are obviously not the whole population of Bristol and as such would not be expected to sign a petition in favour of the stadium.
    Secondly those people that are against the supermarket state that the majority of locals don’t want the supermarket. Yet, out of a local population of 20k plus, less than ten percent signed the petition, including all the other people that signed it for other reasons and including those from other areas.

  36. Richard Lane permalink
    February 14, 2012 7:52 am

    Deano
    Back to your claim of untrue facts.
    You have never proven that my claim that the barrister was being funded by a businessman, remember we are talking quite while back now and I was assured this was the case, So please prove I was wrong.
    My claim that the carpark remained predominantly a car park, was based on the fact that the original plans showed it as a car park.
    Only after a consultation period, were those plans altered and the car parking removed and replaced with landscaping as a buffer for the housing and a bus stop area, therefore removing the parking places from the original plans. My argument regarding that car park, was to counter claims that the car park was being used to build the store on and subsequently that land was more valuable. It was not being built on and still isn’t. As I was unaware of those changes, my statement never changed. Only after a period of time did you come up with the new carpark layout and claim that I was lying.
    I did not claim that the cows never grazed on the Ashton vale fields, I claimed that they never grazed on the site of the stadium, I was wrong, so what. Have you ever been wrong?
    So after this long period of time with your constant claims of me saying one thing and so say being proved wrong, what have you come up with?
    A mistake over whether cows grazed on a specific area.
    A suggestion from me that a wealthy businessman was financing the Barrister that you claim was untrue, yet remains unproven. And a claim that I lied about a carpark, whith you using a historical quote against updated information, which I hadn’t seen. The fact remains that the supermarket was not being built on the car park, which was my argument.
    So, come on with some more of your fantasy claims, only this time, don’t miss out part of my quotes to make them seem as if your correct, that’s the trick of a dirty little shit.

  37. Deano permalink
    February 14, 2012 9:02 am

    Those people that are in favour of the stadium state that the majority of Bristolians want the stadium. Yet, out of a local population of 400k plus, less than ten percent signed the petition, including all the other people that signed it for other reasons and including those from other areas.

    Keep it coming Lane……you are doing a brilliant job……

  38. Deano permalink
    February 14, 2012 9:22 am

    Lane is even lying to himself now.

    The barrister acting for the TVG applicants worked pro-bono. This is a matter of record. Those BCFC fans and stadium supporters who, unlike Lane, got off their arses and actually attended the independent inquiry know this to be the case and have told Lane this, but still he is trying to claim otherwise. This is because Lane is a pathetic liar.

    All the plans submitted as part of the planning applications for all three applications for a supermarket at Ashton Gate all showed the car park being used for a petrol filling station. Are you saying that all the time you were commenting and making claims about a supermarket at AG that you never once looked at the plans for the site? Do you really expect us to believe that you are that stupid?

    You claimed that cows never grazed on the Ashton Vale fields even after it was pointed out to you that the farmer had given evidence to the independent inquiry that they had, even after it was pointed out to you that there was evidence submitted to the enquiry of 20 years and more of annual grazing licences being issued for the site. You didn’t make a mistake, you deliberately lied and repeated that lie because you didn’t want to accept the true situation. You only finally admitted that cows had grazed the field because some other BCFC fans suddenly started to say that the fact tha cows had grazed a field might be evidence of commercial use and that they thought this might be an argument that could be used against the TVG application. In short, like the lying opportunist you are, you only admitted your “mistake” when you were convinced that the fact that cows had grazed the fields might work in favour of your cause.

  39. thebristolblogger permalink
    February 14, 2012 9:43 pm

    A suggestion from me that a wealthy businessman was financing the Barrister that you claim was untrue, yet remains unproven.

    Dickie,

    Usually if you make a claim it’s your job to prove it.

    I could claim that Steve Lansdown is actually an alien lizard man intent on world domination because any claim he isn’t remains unproven …

  40. Richard Lane permalink
    February 15, 2012 7:26 am

    Deano
    Thank you for the information on the TVG barrister, so the information I recieved from one of the members of DRAG (was wrong). No supporters of BCFC that I know, attended the TVG. Nobody has ever passed any information about that enquiry to me, so you have made yet another unfounded claim.
    The plans for the supermarket that I saw did include a petrol filling station, that’s why I said that it remained predominantly a car park. The Original plans showed car parkingon the rest of the site with a little landscaping. They were later changed, as I said to remove the parking and increase the landscaping. So yet another unfounded claim.
    I repeat, I did not claim that cows never grazed on the Fields, I claimed (wrongly as it happened) that they never grazed on the site of the new stadium, there is a difference. I said that I believed that the ground made it too dangerous for the cows in that field, I later returned and saw cow pats in that field and admitted I was wrong.
    This was before your claim that city fans were claiming commercial use.
    I do not read everything people write, I don’t have the time.

    You have now highlighted three occasions where you claim to have that proven I lied.
    I will state categorically that I have never lied. I admit that I have been wrong or mistaken on a couple of occasions. That is completely different from you and your torrent of fabricated claims about me. They are made up utter tripe with no foundation and merely repeated over and over in each statement you make. I repeat, there was a mistake about an irrelivent part of the plans for the car park.
    I was misinformed about the barrister and I wrongly claimed that cows didn’t graze on the site of the stadium.
    Sometimes you have to go with what you’ve been told and trust your instincts. I am aware that a solicitor based in Queen Square, used by BRFC/Dunford and I believe a Rovers supporter, was making FOI requests to gain information and pass on. Perhaps that is where the information about the barrister was mistakenly passed to me. If needed I will give you his name.
    You have put two and two together, come up with five and based your vile claims on three statements. You have continually attacked me and invented things to fill in the gaps, on nothing more than your misunderstanding. In fact thinking about how much you have made up in order to make your accusations seem credible, it is undoubtedly you that is the liar.
    Let’s use your thinking on petitions.
    More people in southville didn’t sign the petition against the supermarket than signed it, so obviously those that didn’t sign were in favour of it. You can make figures do what you want with a little effort.

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