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Dodgy digger-merchants?

March 8, 2012

What’s going on with the JR?
We’ve all been hearing and reading stuff about bribery, kidnapping,
dodgy dealing, lies, violence, threats etc etc.

Is this city a third world banana republic run by digger wielding maniacs?

The JR must proceed so that this murky world is put to rights.
The people must be put first before the dodgy digger-merchants.

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51 Comments
  1. thebristolblogger permalink
    March 8, 2012 7:26 am

    The TVG campaign have obviously been bribing themselves.

    Send in the diggers!

  2. March 8, 2012 9:13 am

    TVG is responsible for all the threats and targetting of individuals not the poor old footy fans and stadium cheerleaders, thats what they say so must be true.
    JCB and bulldozer invasion of greenbelt imminent.

  3. JCB permalink
    March 8, 2012 11:59 am

    Resistance is futile. My yellow brethren and me will reshape the Earth!

  4. Deano permalink
    March 8, 2012 2:19 pm

    The JR has ended. Simon Cook said so. And nobody at the council has said that Simon Cook may have been wrong. So it must be true.

    I am now waiting for the letter from the council to say that they are now the legal guardian and sole representative of Simon Cook because it is clear that he is no longer capable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.

  5. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    March 8, 2012 8:08 pm

    I really don’t know why the council did not distance themselves from this and let the JR or otherwise take it’s course. Surely it would be in their own interest to have their actions ligitimised. As the City Chairman said last week that plans for the development had been put on hold, and the JR is due to be heard in a couple of months anyway, why not stand back and take the advice of Steven Lansdown and let the law take its’ course.

  6. Richard Lane permalink
    March 8, 2012 10:08 pm

    I heard that the only compromise the TVG lot wanted was £190k each.
    Funny that when someone agrees to those demands it’s called bribery.

    Sacredspring

    You make these claims, now tell us who has carried out these acts of:
    1. Bribery
    2. Kidnapping
    3. Dodgy dealing.
    4. Lies.
    5. Violence.
    6. Threats.

    Relax, I’m sure the JR will be announced soon, it’s just that they haven’t found the correct loophole to use yet.

  7. thebristolblogger permalink
    March 9, 2012 7:20 am

    Answers:

    1. “A local businessman”
    2. Members of SDR’s family
    3. Bristol City Council
    4. Peter Holt, BCC PR
    5. Persons unknown
    6. Persons unknown

  8. March 9, 2012 8:01 am

    Local businessmen need to contact me cos I could do with a large bribe.
    I’ll chip in a few quid towards Lane’s bung.
    Diggers donkey derby is revving up. Peter Holt aka Muffin the Mule is leading the assault.

  9. harryT permalink
    March 9, 2012 8:27 am

    Richard Lane states – “I heard that the only compromise the TVG lot wanted was £190k each.Funny that when someone agrees to those demands it’s called bribery.”

    This is a straight lie. Shameless. There was no request for individuals to be paid money in the mediation.

    What I heard was that community was due to vote in favour of the compromise but the meeting had to be cancelled as a group of OTIBs decided to publicise the meeting and threaten to distrupt it. No new meeting could be organised because of the same threat and the TVGers decided they had to leave it to the council to decide as it was not safe to hold a meeting. The Council then buggered it up, even removed a lot of the land that they had agreed should be TVG and left a TVG which was inaccesible to the locals.

  10. harryT permalink
    March 9, 2012 9:24 am

    Also Rich – details of threats and violence have been made to the police over the last 3 years. The only reason this is all coming out now is because:

    1. BCC are demanding the right to publicise the name and address of the new applicant

    2. To block this, the TVGers had to provide the court with all the historic evidence of threats and violence

    3. The Press Association got hold of some of the Court documents and sent them to the BEP and BBC. The BBC then pressed the Police, who (for the first time in 3 years) admitted that there had been threats and violence, including some reported by Mr SDR himself prior to his “disappearence” with his new “legal guardian”

    4. Meanwhile, BCC is continuing to claim they know nothing about the history of threats and violence when they have been in contact with the police themselves over the past few years concerning this very issue

  11. Richard Lane permalink
    March 11, 2012 7:05 pm

    HarryT
    There you go again, calling me a liar. I did not lie, someone told me the TVG applicants wanted compensation of £190k each. Whether that is true or not is open to speculation but I can assure you that I was told that. I didn’t say it was during the mediation, you mentioned that, why?
    It’s funny how people are expected to believe any alledged incidents whatsoever, as long as they’re made against supporters of the stadium and not the nice normal people of the TVG lot, they can alledge anything they want with impunity.
    I am also told that supporters of the TVG have been posting on the OTIB site and the EP site, posing as city supporters and making comments towards the TVG supporters in an attempt to discredit football supporters. I could well believe this after my discussions with some of you nice normal people. Those comments probably form some of the so called evidence of threats and intimidation fabricated and presented to the judge, it would be very easy to do.
    When you compare the amount of actual unproven events, to those so say threatened events, there appears a great diparity, a couple of scratched cars, a broken window and a damaged flower bed, that could happen anywhere in reality.
    As I’ve said, I’ve now had my vehicle scratched twice and now my tree damaged, was that one of you lot?
    £1,000 for a broken window! who’s the glazier, those nice residents at south liberty lane? Or was it an insurance scam?
    It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if some of my obviously tongue in cheek remarks have been edited and used as part of that evidence, gawd knows some of you are very good at editing, or using part quotes to gain some little advantage.
    Of course when it has been done, not one of you nice normal people have ever come out and said that’s not fair or moraly right, because it would undermine your nice normal mates and the image you try to portray.

  12. Richard Lane permalink
    March 11, 2012 7:12 pm

    Bristol Blogger

    Billy boy, keep your nose out of other peoples business. I set those questions to Sacredspring. He hasn’t got the balls to answer them, so is hiding behind your stupid comments.
    So Sacredspring, we’re waiting for your answers but expect you’ll do as usual and make some more allegations.

  13. Richard Lane permalink
    March 11, 2012 7:24 pm

    HarryT
    If I’d have made this following statement you’d have called it a lie.
    You say “What I heard was that community was due to vote in favour of the compromise but the meeting had to be cancelled as a group of OTIBs decided to publicise the meeting and threaten to distrupt it. No new meeting could be organised because of the same threat and the TVGers decided they had to leave it to the council to decide as it was not safe to hold a meeting. The Council then buggered it up, even removed a lot of the land that they had agreed should be TVG and left a TVG which was inaccesible to the locals”.
    As I recall, the meeting was for the local community to dicuss the whole situation. OTIB suggested that if there were local people that supported the scheme and wanted to voice their opinion, then they should turn up. Some imflamatory comments were posted (we don’t know who by) and used by some of the anti stadium lot to further inflame the situation. They called off the meeting and blamed football hooligans, whilst at the same time strengthening their argument with so called evidence of threats and intimidation.

  14. Andrew M (Ashton Gate resident) permalink
    March 11, 2012 8:00 pm

    What I don’t understand is this;

    The police have now confirmed via BBC Points West that damage to property has taken place.

    But I am sure that I read that someone said they contacted a very important person at BCFC who said that the club had investigated had found that no vandalism had taken place?

    Can anybody confirm that the club actually conducted their own investigation or is this just another myth?

  15. thebristolblogger permalink
    March 11, 2012 11:12 pm

    Dickie,

    Are you sure you didn’t drive your car into your tree and scratch it while pissed out of your head? Just a thought.

  16. bobs permalink
    March 12, 2012 9:53 am

    Rich – you will be claiming that McManus and Cisse are TVGers next. Intentional OGs to damage the club. You really are getting desparate Rich.

    Why don’t you embrace the truth and try and change the war path that your club has set itself on against its local communities. It started when Lansdown bulldozed those hedgerows without notice or legal right to do so, It hasn’t stopped since.Even the “mediation” was characterised by attacks in the press and corresponded with bricks through the windows of key TVGers – hoping to “force” a compromise. This attempt to buy off SDR’s stepson and appoint him legal guardian is similar.

    You will never build a larger support base whilst you continue to attack Southville, Ashton Vale and Long Asthon. I just don’t understand your mentality. The bulk of those opposing you were once BCFC fans. Many still are but can barely bring themselves to support the club whilst this war continues. A “City United” ! – you are having a laugh. You side has been divisive from the start.

  17. Richard Lane permalink
    March 12, 2012 10:14 pm

    Bristol Blogger

    Will me old cocker, I didn’t think you were capable of having a thought.

  18. Richard Lane permalink
    March 12, 2012 10:34 pm

    Andrew M

    Just like most of the posters on this site, you’ve got it totally wrong and probably intentionally.
    It was me that contacted the club and asked if there was any truth in the rumours about acts of violence towards any residents in AV.
    I was told that they were unaware of any such acts but would investigate. I did it to prove that I did care about the residents in AV but as usual the nice normal people decided to try and take any advantage they could, just like you’re doing now.
    I can only assume that the club were acting on police advice in not confirming that any such alledged events actually occured.
    Any sane person knows that if acts were carried out however minimal, there would always be the risk of copycat crimes if they were publicised. It happens countrywide, car jacking, joyriding, stoning emergency services, they all increase once publicised.
    It is the sensible thing to do in order to avoid escalation, but some posters on this site couldn’t give a toss about possible recriminations to residents in AV as long as they could shit stir in aid of their cause.
    So there’s no myth, just another person probably posting under yet another name, trying to stir the shit.

  19. Richard Lane permalink
    March 12, 2012 11:00 pm

    BobS
    Congratulations on trying to take the piss about a football result, you must be very proud of your achievement.
    Sit down and take another tablet. There is no war against people of Ashtonvale, Southville or even Long Ashton.
    What there is for your information is. A football club trying to increase it’s chances of success by building a new stadium to compete with the likes of Cardiff, the team that we scored two goals for at the weekend.
    They have been met in their plans by opposition from various quaters.
    Predominantly the people that fear greenbelt development near to their homes, wherever those homes may be.
    They have been met by people opposing the developments under the guise of wanting a TVG, when we all know it’s to stop the stadium. Every single part of the development proposals have been opposed by certain people who have clubbed together in supporting each and everyone elses campaign, in return for support of their own campaign.
    The TVG campaign have taken every possible chance to delay prolongue, whatever you want to call it, by whatever devious means they could. They have been assisted by these other groups for one reason only. To help themselves.
    The club, it’s supporters and the landowners have only ever responded to those opposition groups actions to redress the balance.
    Apart from the initial act of drawing up plans and submitting them for the planning process any other acts have been as a response to the opposition groups actions.
    Please explain to me why a group from Mangostfield are so prominent in supporting the TVG and opposing the stadium and supermarket.
    It is you that needs to open your eyes to the damage you and your fellow opposition groups are doing to the whole of the region, not just the areas you mention.
    Ask yourself this question, why are the owners of the Banco lounge bar so worried about BCFC getting a new ground?
    I’ll save you the bother of thinking, it’s because they fear that they’ll lose trade. Probably the same reason the Tobacco factory people oppose certain aspects of the developments.

  20. thebristolblogger permalink
    March 13, 2012 12:33 am

    Ah yes, “the Banco Lounge conspiracy” and “the Mangotsfield connection”. It’s all becoming clear now.

  21. bobs permalink
    March 13, 2012 11:55 am

    What I want to know is why a builder from Knowle was starting petitions to support a monster supermarket in Southville ? Whst sort of interfering conduct is that ?

    And who is this Mangotsfield group ?

  22. bobs permalink
    March 13, 2012 12:09 pm

    “by whatever devious means they could”

    by which you mean –

    – seeking to protect their rights to recreation recognised in law since 1179 and backed up by new Acts of Parliament in 1965 and 2005

    – attending a public inquiry arranged by the council at the landowner’s convenience and at which 30 locals were put forward for unlimited cross examination by trhe landowner’s legal team in public.

    Those devious bastards ! And not one of them was from Mangotsfield either.

  23. March 13, 2012 12:16 pm

    FACT:most footy supporters don’t live round the stadium, and most don’t live in south Bristol and a large proportion don’t live near Bristol at all.
    I’m looking forward to the council releasing the details of the intimidation bombarded on the planning committee which caused councillors to be changed. This is the kind of victory that Mr Lane’s crusade is about.
    Oh I forgot, Councillors obviously sent themselves all the threatening emails, phone calls and letters, or Babs Janker did so she could then make the unprecedented public appeal for it to stop and so get the sympathy vote.

  24. Richard Lane permalink
    March 13, 2012 7:26 pm

    BobS
    You only see the history as you want to. Ok The TVG have used the law of the land, it’s how and for what reason it’s been used is the devious part. At every step of the way they have waited until the last possible moment before acting. It started the day after the application for the stadium went in. The stadium plans were known about for a long time, why was the application for a TVG lodged the day after? There has been a long list of delaying tactics used from the outset.
    Have you really been following this?
    Ron Morton was one of the representatives in favour of a TVG on the radio debate. He chairs the Shortwood Green against greenbelt development.
    His first act as chair was to oppose the Tesco plans for Ashton Gate, because they might provide funding for the new stadium

  25. Richard Lane permalink
    March 13, 2012 7:58 pm

    BobS
    The reason that builder from Knowle started a petition, was to counter the interferring groups that opposed the plans from the start to redress the balance. As I’ve said, every action from the club or it’s supporters has been as a result of an action from people opposed to it or them from various groups across the region.
    So any chance of answering why you think the Mangotsfield people were involved.
    I don’t refer to the attendance and statements made by residents during the hearing. Obviously they are entitled to have their representation before the impartial inspector, the inspector that only ever recommends in favour of TVG applications.
    Why is it OK for the spokesperson for the TVG applicants to come from outside of the area and not anyone else? Double standards and hypocrites are what you stand for.

  26. Richard Lane permalink
    March 13, 2012 8:07 pm

    Bristol Blogger

    Billy, I doubt anything is clear to you.
    Try including HOLA, DRAG, the whitchurch crew, the chappies from Failand and our country cousins from Keynsham. All have one thing in common, they are part of Save our green spaces and they oppose the stadium in Ashtonvale. Formed to protect their rural retreats from greenbelt development they act in unison. They seem to think that building a stadium sets a precident for greenbelt development. Watch out for stadiums in Mangotsfield, Failand, Keynsham, Dundry, Long Ashton. Obviously once the new stadium is built then there will be many more planned for those areas, as there are’nt enough stadia at the moment.

  27. Richard Lane permalink
    March 13, 2012 8:28 pm

    Sacredspring
    As expected, a complete deflection from the questions I asked of you which you don’t have the balls to answer.

    Fact. Most supporters live in Bristol.
    Fact. The majority of those live in south Bristol.
    Fact. The club is supported by many people in the region and that is why those people have a say. After all, it’s those people that travel to Bristol and South Bristol in particular and relieve themselves of their money in the establishments of south Bristol. Whether that be shops, cafes, pubs, trains, buses or peoples car parks. Ask the traders of North St how their takings have been during the period of lower crowds at Ashton Gate. Then ask them if they’d like the club to be more successful.
    On another point. I see the new imperial Tobacco headquaters are coming along nicely. Now their moving from East street, why wasn’t or isn’t there a campaign to stop this building, due to the effect on the shops at East St and the extra traffic choking Winterstoke road?
    I don’t expect an answer based on your history.

    I have had no crusade and certainly not one of intimidation and threats, although you as usual accuse me of this.
    Try compairing the actions of those opposed to the supermarket, with their shouting and threatening behavior at council meetings and bombardment of letters and emails to councillors, before slinging more accusations about.

  28. Andrew M permalink
    March 13, 2012 9:29 pm

    I am afraid I don’t know who you are so am not sure how I have managed to offend you.

    To put your mind at rest, I told my brother that somebody had stated on this site that the club had done their own investigation and found that there had been no vandalism but I couldn’t remember the details. There are so many rumours going around from both sides that I thought I would simply ask if it was true.

    It now seems he was wrong.

    I think that you need to grow up a bit, your attitude stinks.

  29. bobs permalink
    March 13, 2012 9:48 pm

    Is that his record for consecutive inches of comment ?

  30. Richard Lane permalink
    March 13, 2012 11:10 pm

    BobS
    No, it’s just comments to various people, trying to put my views across accurately, whilst at the same time, not trying to avoid answering awkward questions.

    Let’s try again shall we. Why do you think people from areas on the other side of Bristol are campaigning against the stadium and for the TVG?
    And why is it ok for them to do so but I’m not allowed to have a view?

  31. thebristolblogger permalink
    March 13, 2012 11:22 pm

    Try including HOLA, DRAG, the whitchurch crew …

    What about the Pucklechurch Massive? No mention of Tinto Lounge either. More going on there than lattes and brunches no doubt?

  32. March 14, 2012 7:55 am

    Mr Lane the Imperial tobacco HQ is moving from Upton Rd to Winterstoke, as all local residents know. Not sure where you got East St from, yet another incorrect snippet of information designed to misinform I suppose.
    Er what is your point? Deflecting attention from the JR or the forthcoming diggers donkey derby?
    The coffin- nail giants manage to stay in the area with no damage to green belt or devisive and threatening campaigns against local residents.

  33. bobs permalink
    March 14, 2012 8:56 am

    Rich states – “Why do you think people from areas on the other side of Bristol are campaigning against the stadium and for the TVG?”

    1. Because they are opposed to the device of obtaining planning permission on green land (parks, playing fields, greenbelt etc) as a means to increase land prices so as to fund development through mortgages on the increased land price. Its called “The Theft of the Commons”

    2. Because they are opposed to the creation of Monster supermarkets in urban areas tied to football stadiums so that the fans can be used as a battering ram to force through planning permission where otherwise no planning permission would ever be given

    3. Because they wish for empty and derelict space to be developed and the limited green space in the city to be preserved

    4. Because they know that this is not just a stadium on greenbelt, but two new roads through the greenbelt (with £100m of taxpayers money) leading to open fields which will be developed next

    5. Because they support the brave campaign of local people to preserve recreational space when they are already surrounded on 3 sides by railway track and industrial fences and are now facing it on a fourth side, especially when those locals produced documentary evidence showing their efforts to preserve this space date back to 1965

    6. Because they are outraged that the Council has tried at every stage to twist and corrupt procedure to support the club against the locals, including (a) gerrymandering planning committees (b) accepting as truth evidence they know to be false and then (c) stealing the entrances to the limited TVG they did award so leaving the locals with an inaccesible strip of wet land

    7. Because they cannot live in a city where bullying and threats and lies are deemed an acceptible way for a football club and its supporters to get its own way

    8. Because they are opposed to millions of pounds of taxpayers money and assets being given to property developers to enable profit for property developers

    9. Because they object to the secretive way in which the Ashton Vale social club and youth club are having their grounds taken away from them and turned into access roads for the new stadium (at public expense)

    10. Because they believe in the rule of law not the rule of tabloid message boards and that people representing communities in legal cases should not be subjected to (a) threats (b) violence (c) bribes (d) compulsory legal guardianship (e) kidnapping and (f) bizarre forced letter writing supporting their opponents

    11. Because the TVGers won fair and square in a procedure in which the odds were stacked in favour of the club and where “fair play” and honesty require the council to award TVG status

    12. Because the more you force and push and threaten and berate and slander and lie and propagandise, the more some poeple will stand against you

    I’m pretty much reason 12 myself. But I could take motivation from most of the above.

  34. ChrisU permalink
    March 14, 2012 12:58 pm

    Rich Said “Try compairing the actions of those opposed to the supermarket, with their shouting and threatening behavior at council meetings and bombardment of letters and emails to councillors, before slinging more”

    Ok, so lets compare Alice Ferguson shouting ” Its not all about money you know” at the first committee meeting with the letter from Barbara Janke to fans and the evening post after the first application was rejected…

    “I am deeply concerned about the level of bullying – intense, sustained, deliberate bullying – to which councillors have been subjected in the aftermath of last Wednesday’s decision on Sainsbury’s Ashton Gate application.

    A witch hunt has been launched in the press and slanderous lies have been published and repeated on the internet. The councillors have also been targeted personally in vicious emails and threatening phone calls.

    Members of the development control committee are not mandated by their political groups on the council. Their function is quasi-judicial and planning law dictates that they make their decisions solely on the merits of the case before them and in good faith.

    If on this occasion there was an attempt to influence their decision, it was made by the press – no one else!

    A wild hysteria has been whipped up against these councillors and it has been done in an attempt to browbeat them into submitting to the will of the football club and its wealthy chairman. This is an extremely disturbing attack on the democratic process.”

    I think the intervening arguments with TVGers have clouded your judgement Rich.

    As principle objector to both Tesco and first Sainsburys application, I look forward to evidence that I shouted or threatened anyone or bombarded them with threatening emails?

  35. Richard Lane permalink
    March 14, 2012 10:27 pm

    Andrew M
    You have deliberately asked a question in a provocative biassed way to get the response you wanted. This then enabled you to have a dig.
    It is you who’s attitude stinks, telling your brother something then telling him he’s wrong.

  36. Richard Lane permalink
    March 14, 2012 10:58 pm

    BobS
    1. They are only interested in protecting the land surrounding their own villages and seek help from others.
    2. They opposed the supermarket because they though it would stop the finance for the stadium.
    3. They want brownfield sites in the city used before the land adjoining their villages, putting people in the city at a disadvantage.
    4. Only one road for the stadium of 40 odd metres. You are misleading people with the inclusion of the south Bristol link road, which is not anything to do with the stadium.
    5. Only fourteen houses have their direct view impaired by the new stadium. the vast majority have no change whatsoever to their direct outlook. 1965 now is it? you wouldn’t allow the inclusion af anything dated past the twenty years when reminded about paying for ice skating on the land.
    6. None of those groups are in the jurisdiction of the city council, so yet another load of tosh.
    7. Again, they don’t live in our city but feel they can influence it, with their selfish attitudes.
    8. As we all know there are no profit being made. Just a massive investment for the area as a whole.
    9. Read as before in 7&8. Is that like the youth club that is being denied funding to pay for the JR. I believe there are community facilities included in the stadium.
    10. So, for one who claimed he didn’t know these people, you now know their inner thoughts. I believe these are your thoughts attributed to a group of people that you don’t know.
    11. TVG’rs have won nothing but a recommendation from a biassed inspector, accept it.
    12. “Because the more you force and push and threaten and berate and slander and lie and propagandise, the more some poeple will stand against you”.
    Unbelievable amount of slander in your statement. You are a lying low life that goes lower than a snakes belly. You claim all of this yet offer no proof at all, how low can you go? pot and kettle spring to mind.

    In all of those points you have raised, you have used your opinions only, while doing your utmost to avoid the real answer.

  37. Richard Lane permalink
    March 14, 2012 11:13 pm

    Chris Uttley

    I think you should read my statement again. I did not say you or any others sent threatening emails to anyone.

    You compare one outburst from Alice with the actions of a few disgruntled people who responded to an obviously premeditated and orchestrated decision, influenced by the stand in chair.
    There was an awful lot more intimidation of councillors that occured that night, it came from George, Charlie and the other followers, and you know it.That’s why there was such a reaction.

    I believe the other councillors were led to that decision by Simon, who was working with the fabricated figures from Tony on retail and the traffic figures, supplied by Tesco’s transport consultants.

    “As principle objector to both Tesco and first Sainsburys application” Who’s judgement is clouded?

  38. Richard Lane permalink
    March 14, 2012 11:46 pm

    Sacredspring
    I fail to see how you think I intended to gain from getting something wrong. I have never been afraid to admit where I’ve been wrong, on this occasion I was working from memory and the imperial Tobacco did have their headquaters in East St when my father worked there. I completely forgot that they moved to Hartcliffe and thought they still had offices there. I was wrong.
    Referring to their new headquaters, I was pointing out that there was no hoohah about the planned traffic increase in an area adjacent to one you once described as out of town. There was no mention of it’s carbon footprint, no mention of the dirt and dust to local residents during construction and no mention of the loss of trade to traders in their present location, regardless of where it is. Let alone the fact that they are one of the biggest killers of human beings the world has ever known. Never mind eh! at least they can carry on killing people and not something so awful as playing football.

    So, let’s try again. Why has there been no campaign against these drug pushing killers, building in the congested area known by you as gridlocked Winterstoke Road?

  39. March 15, 2012 7:06 am

    Mr in gross denial Lane, the move of the Tobacco barons was looked at by residents. As you don’t live round here I wouldn’t expect you to know. They are rebuilding their existing site on Winterstoke, something which the Bankers Bonus Baron from your footy club could do at Ashton Gate with very little controversy. He would get the thumbs up from me and most residents. Instead he decided to try it on with monster hypermarket and gambled on permission to trash the green belt with concrete and tarmac, somewhat different from the fag packet merchants who don’t trash the neighbourhood and give you the choice over whether you want to wreck your lungs.

  40. Tony Dyer permalink
    March 15, 2012 8:41 am

    “the fabricated figures from Tony on retail”

    The figures were not “fabricated” – they were taken from the reports produced by the consultants hired by the developers themselves, and by Bristol City Council and its neighbouring authorities, and the independent retail consultants commissioned by them – in particular the South Bristol Retail Study, a study that you said you would welcome until it was published and didn’t produce the results that you so obviously were hoping for. So, of course, you immediately claimed it was flawed.

    In fact, when the second Sainsburys application went in, the new retail figures from both the developers’ consultants and from the council’s independent retail consultants were closer to the figures presented in my submission to the first planning committee.

    It has been pointed out to you previously where the figures came from so people reading this can draw their own conclusions as to why you continue to repeat that the figures were “fabricated”.

  41. bobs permalink
    March 15, 2012 8:47 am

    Rich – I think you have also just broken your record for the most lies and misrepresentations in a single post.

    I have seldom come across anyone so happy to invent facts to suit his own case.

    And you have the cheek to call me a snake.

  42. thebristolblogger permalink
    March 15, 2012 12:16 pm

    TVG’rs have won nothing but a recommendation from a biassed inspector, accept it

    What evidence do you have that Ross Crail is biased (with one s dickhead)? I mean actual evidence Dickie not invented drivel and fantasies off the OTIB boards.

    According to the Legal 500, 2011 Edition she has “consummate knowledge of the law on village greens”.

    While Chambers UK 2011 says she’s “top of the pile when it comes to rights of way and village greens work”.

    Are they all biased too? Don’t tell me – all these bent lawyers and their hangers-on meet once a month at the Banco Lounge to conspire against you right?

  43. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 2:06 am

    Tony
    As long as your happy with the figures you presented, then that’s all that matters. You certainly had the desired effect in persuading Simon that the figures you selected to present from those surveys warranted further investigation. The fact that there were results from a phone survey of 1,000 people, taken from the people of Stroud Glos, to Street in Somerset, to determine the shopping habits of people in South Bristol, leads me to think that they’re not wholly accurate.
    Or that the very large turnover of Park furnishers, was not included in one survey but included in another.
    As is well known, you can do a lot with figures, such as: if there were 30,000 houses to be built in Bristol, 10,000 of which were already built or under construction, 10,000 had sites or planning permision granted, some people might argue that that accounts for 20,000, so only another 10,000 needed to be built, not in my books, eh!. In my books that still leaves 20,000 plus, to be built.

  44. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 2:13 am

    Tony
    If I took bricks or any other material from three different buildings, then made a new building with them, that building would be fabricated but not the same as the previous buildings.

  45. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 2:20 am

    BobS
    Once more you have come out with accusations and not one shred of evidence to prove it.
    I did not call you a snake (please learn to read properly before posting), I said you were lower than a snakes belly.

    Now, come out with the evidence of where I threatened, lied, slandered, pushed, or shut up.

  46. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 2:34 am

    Bristol Blagger

    Willy (little prick), did you expect Ross Crails CV would have negative points on her profile?
    I don’t need evidence taken from the legal 500 to form an opinion of whether I think someone is biassed.
    You show me proof where she is not biassed towards the TVG applicants, she took over three months to find precidents of use in previous cases, to get to her recommendation. Show us a case where she has recommended that there should not be a TVG, You may find one.
    In the mean time, do as you told that local MP to do.

  47. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 3:03 am

    Sacredspring

    In denial?

    I don’t deny that the local Residents of Southville (not Ashton) were behind the opposition to the supermarket.

    I don’t deny that the application for a TVG has been made in order to halt/delay the stadium build.

    I don’t deny that local pressure groups from outside Bristol, have been opposing both the stadium and supermarket schemes, in order to help their own campaigns against greenbelt developments.

    I don’t deny that people like Pip Sheard have used their positions in organisations such as FOE (Crispin link) TFGB to oppose both the developments and then the other parts, such as new roads.

    I don’t deny that all of these opposition groups have been aiding each other in their seperate causes.

    In denial? No you are.

  48. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 3:25 am

    BobS
    Correction, I said “you go lower than a snakes belly” not, “you were lower than a snakes belly”. I do think you are lower than a snakes belly though, just so as there’s no confusion.
    If you retract your lies and accusations against me, I’ll reconsider my opinion of you.

  49. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 3:37 am

    Sacredspring

    You have completely ignored the points I raised about the new headquaters, which were: About the planned traffic increase in an area adjacent to one you once described as out of town. There was no mention of it’s carbon footprint, no mention of the dirt and dust to local residents during construction and no mention of the loss of trade to traders in their present location, regardless of where it is. Let alone the fact that they are one of the biggest killers of human beings the world has ever known. It probably didn’t worry the Southvilleites as it wasn’t to do with football and they don’t smoke. Though I’m surprised they didn’t oppose it on the health grounds of smokers in the third world.

    When you speak to Tony, could you ask him how his complaint to the EU is going, regarding what you call “dodgy land deals”, as we don’t seem to have heard anything about it lately.

  50. Tony Dyer permalink
    March 16, 2012 8:42 am

    “If I took bricks or any other material from three different buildings, then made a new building with them, that building would be fabricated but not the same as the previous buildings”

    Rich, it would still be a real building made from real bricks not pretend bricks made out of thin air.

    If you really want to look at “fabrication” then I suggest you look at how the football club commissioned a report by PriceWaterhouseCoopers which showed that construction of the stadium would create the equivalent of 80 full time jobs and then how key individuals “fabricated” 4,000 construction jobs out of those 80 full-time jobs.

    In the meantime, anybody who is as interested as Richard in revisiting old arguments about the figures I used in my submission to the planning committee, and his pitiful attempts to discredit them can stroll threw the same old same old elsewhere on this same website by clicking here;

    https://sacredspring.wordpress.com/2011/05/24/crunch-month-giant-sainsbury-planning-consent-called-in-and-town-green-ratified-or-not/

    https://sacredspring.wordpress.com/2011/05/11/enabling-the-new-stadium-sums-dont-add-up/

    Personally I worry about the state of mind of somebody who is hunched over a computer in the early hours of the morning posting “facts” that they know have already shown to be incorrect.

  51. Richard Lane permalink
    March 16, 2012 11:52 pm

    Tony
    No need to worry about the state of my mind, thanks for your concern though.
    You sanctimonious stance still does not hide the way you use figures.
    My analogy was referring to buildings, of course it would be a real building, just different from the originals.
    So if as you say the figures you used were taken from these other surveys, why on earth did you bother? You could have saved yourself and all of us the time of reading and digesting them by just sticking to the original figures.
    My only refernces to “facts” as you highlight, refer to the phone survey being carried out with people from Stroud to Street, are you saying those are not facts? Because if you are saying I have made that up and they are not facts, then you are lying.

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