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Bent-bust BRT gets near public enquiry.

April 10, 2012

Crazy Lib-Dem council have shot their bolt on this mad-cap concrete bus highway.
Tim Kent, Gary Hopkins and the rest claim there’s nothing else available so they’re hell-bent on the bankrupt 4.3km of partially guided bonkers buses.
Driven through the only dedicated safe pedestrian and cyclist route from south of the river and Ashton Court to the centre.
Driven through the historic dockside steam railway thronging with tourists and families enjoying the peaceful ambience.
Driven across the narrow listed Prince St bridge causing havoc at festivals.
Driven through pedestrian and family friendly parks and open spaces will be these fume belching monsters of failed technology at the rate of:


All to save a few dubious minutes off the park and ride from Ashton Vale to centre. For the sum of £50 million plus(can safely add 50%).
What a stupid waste of taxpayers money by vain councillors.
There’s cheaper ways of destroying the dockside.
There’s no better way of killing and injuring cyclists and pedestrians than to run these bent-bust monsters on the only safe people friendly routes into town.

  1. Anthony B permalink
    April 11, 2012 4:53 pm

    How dare they try to offer public transport? What a scandal.

  2. April 13, 2012 8:28 am

    This is not a public transport issue but an expensive vanity project.
    Concrete bus highways will wreck the cities maritime dockside heritage and ruin pedestrian routes from the south.

  3. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    April 13, 2012 6:35 pm

    Putting aside all of what you say, not to dismiss it because it is all important, but the real questions are, will it achieve all it claims, and do the benefits justify the cost. Firstly, we are not talking of 24 hour benefits. The present route across the Flyover and along Hotwells Road, are only a real problem during “rush hour”, probably about 4 hours per day during the week and much less at weekends. During this time there should be a benefit. I say should, because BRT2 will facilitate the South Bristol Link which will mean a large increase in traffic on the A370, a road used by the N Somerset buses and many drivers who then use the P and Ride, so the journey from P and R into Town may be quicker, but getting to the Pand R certainly won’t be! Also, your destination will have a bearing as to any saving in time, as BRT does not serve directly what the present bus services do. It also seems a strange route in the fact that there are very few people who live on the route so it will basically be a P&R to Town service or in other words, an expensive way of replacing the P&R bus service. At a minimum of £50 million, plus the closing of Prince St. Bridge to traffic and all those things you have already pointed out, it seems like folly to me.

  4. Richard Lane permalink
    April 15, 2012 11:18 pm

    You predict a large increase in traffic on the A370 because of the link road. At present, isn’t that very same traffic using the cumberland basin flyover system, winterstoke road, Parson street gyratory, plus the barrow gurney road, to travel to and fro between the A370 and the A38? In other words, that traffic already creates a build up in those areas.
    With the buses removed from the Hotwell road, the traffic should run smoother there (no bus lanes needed) more road space.
    With more buses having less congestion on the dedicated route, it is reasonable to assume that more passengers will be using those buses from the park and ride and the areas east of the A38 (less car use), as is the case elsewhere on dedicated routes. Therefore even less congestion on all routes as a result.

    Having said that, I still believe we are missing a great opportunity to have a rail link (tram) to prince street bridge and possibly straight on towards Redcliffe, Temple meads and beyond, just like our dockside heritage in days gone by.

    This is being pushed through by an administration that needs to be seen to be doing something, even if it’s the wrong thing.

  5. April 16, 2012 9:54 am

    Don’t think there’s plans to remove bus lanes on Hotwells rd.
    Fact is the combined effects of link rd and Monster Stainsburies along with all the car dependent outlets planned at Ashton Vale will create more traffic nightmare at the Cumberland flyover.
    Bent-Bust BRT2 won’t solve this so taxpayers say goodbye to £50m and the rest. Diggers will be pulling up the crap guided concrete bus highways within 10 years as the vanity project fails.

  6. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    April 16, 2012 12:12 pm

    Hi Rich.
    We could go back and forth on this, but my main issue is the Link Road traffic will be joining the A370 at a new roundabout about 300 yds south of the David Lloyd junction, thus holding back all traffic to the P&R from the south, including the present bus service. Of course, they could always extend the bus lane for the total length of the Long Ashton Bypass!

  7. Richard Lane permalink
    April 16, 2012 11:12 pm


    Back and forth we go then.
    So the congestion is now predicted at the new roundabouts, heading to and from the park and ride site. Instead of the Parson St gyratory, Winterstoke road, Cumberland basin and Hotwell road, all heading for town and through the housing and not on buses. I know what I’d prefer.
    I’m sure you are correct about the bus lane extensions, they will need this and a designated PR lane, as at Brislington.


    If the buses are diverted from Hotwell road onto the designated route, why would there be a need for bus lanes on the Hotwell road?

    So now your saying that Sainsburies will cause problems on the Cumberland flyover system!. Changed your tune a bit haven’t we?
    You argued that the majority of traffic will be using the streets of Bedminster and Southville to get there, while dismising my suggestion that much of the traffic using the new store, would indeed be from the Cumberland basin flyover system.

  8. April 17, 2012 8:46 am

    As the swing bridge snarl-up gets worse the Monster Stainsburies shoppers will swarm down the residential streets from Clifton and miles around desperate to aviod the gridlock and save 2p on a pint of milk and litre of jungle juice. No BRT will solve the massive traffic problem resulting from Lansdowns folly and the councils granting of an unsustainable monster hypermarket.
    Mr Lane will understand this as his backside is welded to the car seat.

  9. Paul Bemmy Down permalink
    April 17, 2012 11:31 am

    Parson St. Gyratory. You are talking to an expert. I’ve used it most days for the last 40 years. Not all traffic is going down Winterstoke road, and why would you go that way into Town? During “rush hour” it’s not great, I’m not trying to claim otherwise, but at other times there is little problem. Actually, if they re-painted the box-junction so selfish drivers stopped blocking it, things would run much smoother, but why do that when you are planning a new road instead. A simple question, Rich, did you realise the biggest gainer in all this will be the Airport Flyer? Almost 200 of there buses will be using SBL and BRT2 every week day, probably more than all other buses put together. Good value for the million or so they are prepared to pay towards this folly.

  10. April 17, 2012 7:05 pm

    Bristol airport with their crap slogan amazing journeys start here are laughing all the way to their fatcat Aussie bankers and overweight Ontario teachers pension plan. These foreign beneficiaries of taxpayers money are getting a massive freebie with their pathetic contribution to these schemes. What is it 1% they’re chipping in for link rd and BRT which is set to benefit them most?

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