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Green belt grabbers update

October 4, 2012
  • Blogging season has arrived.
    So what’s happening.
    The greenbelt grabbers are busy back to the drawing board. That’s to say drawing in all the dodgy non-evidence that they rustled up after the Ross Crail town green enquiry was done and dusted all those years ago. Yes, Ashton Vale meadows are town green, that was the verdict then and no matter how much BS you can try to concoct as to why its not town green now it’s too late. Should have done it all at the full hearings then. Bad luck.
    Of course we know that the council officers that started off the World Cup (wot world cup?) Greenbelt grab don’t like the verdict, do they Mr Cook, our great council leader? Which is why they’ve squandered how much in abject defeat on the JR they dismally failed in trying to stitch up? £100,000? Who knows. Trying to weasel out of their appointed inspectors decision costs silly ratepayers money but hey ho there’s plenty more where that came from.
    After all that, it appears the council have gone and lobbed it back to Ross Crail to sort out. Yep, back to the beginning. Except its not.
    The landowning grabbers obviously want Crail out of it and a new stooge inserted. Not gonna happen. Only a small minded idiot of which there are many would expect a completely new town green enquiry from scratch.
    So what should and almost certainly will happen is that the original verdict stands, and the trumped up new evidence is looked at objectively by the skilled expert who knows her subject.

    Now I’m not going to pre-judge it but …yes the ashton vale greenbelt grab is tottering on its last legs.

    Next post: FOI’s reveal not much except massive cover ups, black ink crossings out and deleted emails.

    1. October 4, 2012 4:41 pm

      One of the regular pro Town Green posters on BEP posted this below about Hopkins claimaing that it is all the fault of the law that the Council is spending money defending its sell off of green spaces. It is so good, I thought it needed to be posted elsewhere…

      by PE175

      Thursday, October 04 2012, 4:14PM


      The previous government did not “drop you in” it they allowed local people to stop idiots like you walking in and developing/selling off destroying our/local peoples recreational spaces.
      The law is there to prevent the Abrahams and the Hopkins of this world sitting on their fat ****s, and doing what they wish with peoples local enviroments.
      You think that because you and your kind find the only place that will accept your self interested views and actions being in the council it gives you the right to destroy parks and green belt while leaving othe areas in a brownfield wasteland.
      You Mr Hopkins and associates work for us, not for yourself, not for the big nobs with money you mate are employed by the people of Bristol to do your best for the public, you learn to listen to what we say, not ignore your pseudo consultations ect. or you GO (please be justice in this world).
      You and your collegue Kent the Laurel and Hardy of Bristol Council have overseen the total cockup of Bristols transport system and are quite happy to snoozle up to any big business that you think would be of benefit to you in your somewhat precarious future.
      The quicker you and your bewilderingly muddled collegues are returned to the obscurity you came from the better.
      You Mr councillor are a member of the worst council I have ever witnessed in Bristol for 40years, I never thought that such a disaster could ever exist in public office,I new the Lib Dems were demented but like all disasters you can never appreciate one unless you are involved in it, and boy Bristol is involved in one now.
      I do not support any political party but I do support fairness and honesty from my elected council, something sadly lacking not only from you but also from others in this debacle of a council.
      Blaming the law for your councils ability to waste £120,000 on a process carried out in a shabby and suspect manner is the kind of response we come to expect you and your comical legal dept. you could not make it up, the council have wriggled lied missled,missinformed, delayed, a straight forward process and now you have the brass neck to blame the law because it does not suit you.
      You Sir are a failure to Bristol.”

    2. October 4, 2012 8:22 pm

      I like this person …demented lib-dem council indeed. To be fair they’re probably not all demented.
      To promote the crackpot ideas of bendy bus BRT and the concreting of the last vestiges of Bristol greenbelt suggests a certain degree of madness. That and the desperate craving of immortality from a soon to crumble power base can be the only explanation.
      Gary Hopkins commenting is the ranting of the unhinged. Hope they dip into his biscuit allowance to cover these profligate JR’s and council mob battles against local residents.

    3. thebristolblogger permalink
      October 5, 2012 3:13 pm

      In a new development, get down Asda Bemmie and Lib Dem Councillors will fight you:

    4. pe175 permalink
      October 5, 2012 4:02 pm

      I said the Lib Dems were demented how much more proof do you want.


    5. October 5, 2012 9:14 pm

      He’s off his trolley

    6. bobs permalink
      October 8, 2012 8:29 am

      So – the story I am hearing is that the AV landowners are stalling the TVG process by refusing to provide their dates of availability for the next hearing. It fits in with their existing strategy of being very loud in the media about how strong their case is, whilst doing everything they can to stay away from any judge or inspector.

      I’m guessing they are hoping that the new Mayor will intervene in the process and fix it for them. However, I’m not sure any new Mayor will be keen to intefere in the legal process, given the cost and embarrassments of the previous interventions made by BCC. Would be funny if the new Mayor was disqualified for misfeasance in public office within months of getting into the job !

    7. October 8, 2012 8:58 pm

      I guess the landowners are trying to stitch up the legal process because that’s what greedy landowners and fatcat builders do. Joe Bloggs wouldn’t get chance of putting a new bike shed on the greenbelt. But the council lets the fatcats concrete acres of wetland meadows.
      Good job the ancient English laws of town green are there to protect the ordinary citizen from this scurrilous and wanton destruction of our environment.

    8. ChrisU permalink
      October 9, 2012 12:00 am

      I thought the inspector had yet to decide if a full hearing was needed Bobs?
      The only new “evidence” I could see was a rehash of the same old “EA licence date” crap as last time.

      It would only take a phone call to the EA to find out that they regularly issue a licence until a date in the future and that a consent does not indicate the presence of the consented activity. It merely gives a timeframe within which that activity can take place.

    9. bobs permalink
      October 9, 2012 8:43 am

      Chris – the landowners are not even claiming that the waste tip lasted as long as the license. There is photographic evidence showing it grasssed and with foot paths worn through well before that. It is because their evidence is so poor that they are seeking to avoid any hearing in front of any unbiased Inspector.

      The next hearing is to decide how to proceed with the new evidence. Its that I guess which the landowners are trying to stall, hoping that a new mayor will corrupt the process. But in his interview with Bristol 24/7 printed today, Marvin Rees has promised to intervene in the legal process on the side of the landowner. Given that the council is the registration authority and has a legal duty to stay neutral, he has shown what a first grade loon he is.

      Marvin Rees – the first public servant to declare an intention to commit misfeasance in public office before he is even elected. Start lining up the “no-win no-fee” lawyers again. There is going to be another round of Judicial Reviews.

    10. harryT permalink
      October 9, 2012 1:01 pm

      The basic mistake that Marvin Rees has made is to announce in advance that he intends to intervene in the Ashton Vale process to aid the landowners.

      If you are intending to pervert legal processes so as to :

      A. to overide the legal rights of locals and

      B. benefit the commerical interests of others

      then it is unsually best to keep quiet about it. Especially if you are a high ranking public official.

      But thanks for the “heads up” Marvin. We’ll keep an eye out for your actions !

    11. ChrisU permalink
      October 10, 2012 9:49 pm

      Will the wannabe politicians never learn? Seeking a public mandate does not give a licence to usurp or undermine existing legislation. Surely being in public office compels the office holder to publicly abide by and support the law or, in the case of disagreeing with it, to seek amendment.

      I wonder how much he even knows about the detail of the case?
      I wonder what the “full weight of the Mayors office” will look like? I hope it looks similar to the full weight of the Council and the full weight of the landowners.

      Do we know when the Inspector will decide on whether to hold a new hearing?

      My request for an internal review of Bristol City Council handling of my FOI request has been answered. I doubt it will surprise you to read that BCC considers that it dealt with my request in accordance with the Act, and that decisions about membership of statutory committees that undertake functions of supreme public interest i.e. planning committees are exempt from FOI.

    12. bobs permalink
      October 11, 2012 2:42 pm

      “Do we know when the Inspector will decide on whether to hold a new hearing? ”

      No. That’s the problem. The hearing to decide whether and in what format to hold a new hearing is being delayed by the Landowners.

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