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Bungling half-baked billionaires beaten by Bedminster’s best

September 6, 2013

Evil Monster Tesno billionaires…
Crazy Monster billionaire Stainsburies…
Befuddled billionaire Lansdown…
Blatter’s world cup blow-dried billionaires.

The roll call of victims engraved on the mausoleum of failed

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38 Comments
  1. BobH permalink
    September 7, 2013 10:47 am

    Not the usual well constructed articulate blog that we expect from TAGB needs a bit of a story, sort of filling out.
    What has arose the sleeping giant to produce just a 5 line blog of known facts.
    Could it be that the whispers of the demise of the monster stadium has woken TAGB from his slumbers.
    Could it be that the reporting of ghost like deals that are not actually deals about Ashton Vale drifted in the Bloggers direction,
    Could it be that the stories are so gastly that the Blogger has been left somewhat speechless.
    Come on Blogger let it go give us the real story none of this cosy Lansdown, Council, Ashton Vale cuddling up to each other stuff.
    We want a big TVG not a chopped up excuse for one, we want more action more guts from the TVGers, the chequered flag is in site and they all appear to crumble.
    Giving in not to a Stadium but a Housing Estate, shameful.

  2. bobs permalink
    September 9, 2013 3:56 pm

    “Giving in not to a Stadium but a Housing Estate, shameful.” – I’m not sure you understand the deal then.

  3. September 9, 2013 5:05 pm

    BobH

    The chequered flag is not in site. The October 2013 hearing would be no chequered flag. A win for the TVGers in October (which was likely) would inevitably lead to Lansdown challenging the decision in the High Court, which the law fully entitles him to do. For a billionaire with a £10m piece of land, he is not exactly going to let it lie is he.

    So that would be at least another 3 years of facing up to a rich man’s lawyers and an aggresive band of supporters and the risk of losing it all by the time Lansdown and his lawyers had taken the case all the way to the Supreme Court.

    Its time for you and all the BCFC fans to make peace and compromise.

  4. harryT permalink
    September 9, 2013 5:09 pm

    And BobH

    “We want a big TVG not a chopped up excuse for one” – you do know that if the deal is for the site to be split, it would be a 20 odd acre TVG

    “We want more action more guts from the TVGers” – easy for you to say if you are not the one whose guts are at risk

  5. BobH permalink
    September 10, 2013 10:14 am

    The tone of the comments on this site appear to have dramatically changed.
    From the start of the TVG application you all knew that you were challenging a billionaire and a local council plus the local press but you were quite happy to support the TVG,ers with your comments.
    You all knew the size of the TVG at the start and were quite happy to support the registration of the whole site and not have it split.
    What was the point of the whole execise supporting the campaign over all of these years knowing that you were not going to get what you were campaigning for.
    You all seem to have forgotten that the original application was approved and the whole site was up for registration, and that was what the whole process was about.
    All of your views indicate that the Ashton Vale locals should have abandoned any hope of getting th whole thing when the southern bit was registered.
    It does now appear that the comments of many that the application was only to stop the stadium and not to aquire a TVG was correct.
    And harryT you also knew damned well that the process would carry on forever and that applies to any TVG application anywhere there is not much point in applying for a TVG if it never gets concluded, other TVG,s have been successful so why does this one be any different fom any other.
    This was totally an attempt to stop the stadium not to gain a TVG so the whole thing was a big lie, so now the locals can look forward to a housing estate and not a stadium yippee i wish them luck as the housing creeps towards Long Ashton and Yanley, with teir bit of boggy green stuck in the middle.
    And Bobs please explain the deal as far as i can see you get a chopped TVG ie:- half of what was approved and you get devepoment on the other half , the whole idea was for that to not happen, what you mean is that there is to be no stadium so bugger the TVG we got what we wanted,
    As far as i can see the whole thing is rapidly becoming a total waste of time, the years of delay has ment that Bristol City has sunk into the doldrums and to not require any stadium larger than a blanket to house thier matches, they are in debt up to thier ears.
    was to stop all development on the site, it appears i was wrong and it was only to stop the stadium.

  6. BobH permalink
    September 10, 2013 10:19 am

    It also appears that this web site comment system is now inclined to chop up the posts making them a bit not readable, mine has been totally rearranged.

  7. bobs permalink
    September 10, 2013 12:01 pm

    BobH

    I bet if you were on Deal or No Deal you would open every box regardless of the bankers offer. You would say you went on the show for £250,000 and won’t accept anything less.

    If it was your choice, would you really risk getting nothing at all just to have a chance of winning the lot, regardless of the offer ? That seems to be what you are saying the locals should do. Or are you saying they should now accept nothing if they are not going to get it all as doing any deal debases their original motivation ?

    And why are you saying it was all about the stadium, when the deal includes a huge TVG which (according to the BBC news) is being voluntarily registered by the landowner. I’m presuming that the locals managed to negotiate for the Silbury Strip to be added back in and the right of way as well. Why are you saying this was not worth claiming for in the first place ?

  8. BobH permalink
    September 10, 2013 2:33 pm

    Bobs
    The southern bit is already supposed to be registered as a TVG so what is the point of the land owner re registering it, this is a bit of verbal fluff so Lansdown can be seen as the good guy,how can you register something that is already registered.
    It is not my view about whether they should continue or not , it is they who have pursued their cause for 4 years and when it gets to the point that they have been waiting for they accept a deal that probably existed over a year ago, that is to accept the southern bit but give up on the north bit.

    The only difference to the conditions of a year ago is that the stadium has now gone.
    So now there is no stadium they are happy to loose the north bit to housing as a second best to a stadium.

    Remember this was supposed to be action to protect the green belt from development.
    The argument was from the TVG.ers that it was not the stadium that mattered it was the TVG and the green belt that was to be protected.
    The fact is as normal nobody outside of the parties concerned know what the “deal” is and what land is actually in question.
    And to compare the whole process to a silly quiz game is just stupid, you keep forgetting that the site irrespective of size was already approved to be registered that is a legal fact.
    Trying to find excuses to make the “deal” seem a good thing overlooks all of the troubles and problems that have occured to get to this point.
    The fact is there is no stadium and that is all that matters to the locals that is what the whole process appears to have been about.
    It is not a huge TVG it is just a small part of the green belt it is only half as huge as the legally allowed thing would have been.
    They are not accepting anything less,
    They have already been given the whole site it is just that part of it is trying to be removed from the locals rights.
    As you compare they have won the £250,000 but someone is trying to steel some of it.
    And in your view that is ok.

    In the end the bit of the TVG that was probably the most legally sound has been lost ,that says a lot for the whole legal process.
    I can understant loosing the south bit but not the northern part.

  9. bobs permalink
    September 10, 2013 3:32 pm

    BobH

    Much of what you say is inaccurate or makes little sense.

    – Why do you say that the whole of the southern site is already registered TVG ? Wasn’t part of the JR the fact that it wasn’t ?

    – Why do you even think the locals demanded that the stadium be removed from the plans as part of a deal ? This simply isn’t true.

    – What has this TVG application got to do with the rest of the greenbelt in south Bristol ? Why would success on 1/2 or all of this TVG make any difference to building on the rest of the greenbelt ? You are aware that the BRT would cross this land regardless of TVG status.

    – What deal was offered a year ago ?

    – If you don’t know what the current deal is, then why are you slagging off the locals for agreeing to it ?

    – Why do you say voluntary registration adds nothing ? You clearly don’t understand the right for a current or future landowner to challenge any council registration in the High Court but not a voluntary registration.

    – Nor can I understand why you think the case for a TVG on the former land tip site in the north is stronger that the case for the southern SNCI site which has never been tipped. Have you even read the Inspector’s report ? Are you even aware of the conflicting evidence concerning the dates of the landfill site and whether it was there 20 years prior to the application ?

    – Three times above you state that the whole of the site either was already or certainly would have been registered in full as TVG. “They have already been given the whole site” – you state. Do you even understand that the hearing in October was to decide whether the northern half should be registered ?

    And you again go back to the October hearing as being some “point being waited for”. It has been explained to you above that this isn’t accurate and you seemed to have accepted this, only to restate it again. Do you think the October hearing was going to be a walk in the park ? Do you know about the security arrangements and the risks involved for witnesses ?

    Until you accept that even winning in October would not be a win for ever but would simply be the next stage before the High Court case, then you will never understand what is going on.

    There isn’t really much point debating it with you any further as your version of the facts is so different from the facts that the locals have to deal with.

  10. harryT permalink
    September 14, 2013 10:59 am

    For the watching Richard Lane, if you think BobH needs some of his facts correcting, he has nothing on you.

    Moooooo

  11. David Hayward permalink
    September 14, 2013 12:54 pm

    Yes its all a farce. Well done to all concerned. You have swapped a stadium to be proud of for a housing estate. Was that the aim or was that just the inevitable out come of your attitude. Beaten billionaire! Yes I am sure Mr Lansdowne does feel a bit down about trying to do something for the community and have it stopped by a gaggle of contrarians, however you are getting what you richly deserve, more people, more traffic congestion and your daily life changed forever for the worse rather than for the better with a wetland. A game every two weeks seems a small price to pay! Its now obvious by the Beaten Billionaire comment your leaders were about stopping Mr Landsdowne and nothing else…Shame on them they have given you the worst of all worlds. Enjoy!

  12. harryT permalink
    September 14, 2013 1:21 pm

    David

    It’s sounds as if you also want the locals to back out of the deal and fight for the whole TVG.

    Is that really what you want ?

  13. David Hayward permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:26 pm

    You lose if you dont fight for it all!…A guy said to me the other day you were trying to preserve your way of life….But if you except the housing estate the way of life is changed completely and permanently and to a much greater extent than the stadium. And your left with nothing except a dog toilet!

    This smacks of complete Hypocrasy, stop Bristol City and accept a compromise that makes the situation worse just so a couple of people can say we beat Steve Landsdowne…

    Fact is you didnt, he makes millions and smiles as the building trucks and the inevitable social housing make you all look like chumps….Stand and fight or withdraw your objections and take the Wetland are the only sane options….But who needs sanity when you can have a Public Enquiry!!

    NUTS!

  14. David Hayward permalink
    September 14, 2013 3:28 pm

    accept the housing estate…sorry
    You’re…sorry again!

  15. bobs permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:36 pm

    David

    This makes no sense. Why should they either fight for everything or settle for nothing. What’s wrong with a deal which involves extensive TVG and lower level use of the remaining land.

    Why do you say it will all be social housing ?

    Why will it change their way of life if 18 acres of the 42 has some housing on it?

    Why is a 20 plus TVG just a dog toilet ? You do realise that this land is already an SNCI registered wetland (I don’t think you do, do you?)

    As with BobH it looks as if you are just trying to stir aggro with misinformation.

  16. David Hayward permalink
    September 14, 2013 5:56 pm

    BOB

    Planning permission will always have an element of social housing…That is how it works. I didnt say all social housing….I said the inevitable social housing which there is…But putting words in peoples mouths seems the norm

    Some housing? Are the plans available?…Lower Level? Really explain to us all what that actually means…do you know!?

    Oh really it wont change the way of life…Which study have you performed on this proposal…its bound to!

    Registered wetland, maybe it is already. However are you going to ensue its somewhere nice to go, of course not, so it remains what it is with a nice name… who would have done?

    I think you have the misinformation as you seem to like to draw pretty pictures within a broad outline…

    So enlighten us all as to what will happen…As until you do so it would seem that the misinformation is yours

  17. September 14, 2013 8:19 pm

    David there are people trying very hard to reach a compromise. If a deal is made it will be due to the hard work put in and the concessions that will be made by both sides. If there’s no deal then its left to the next series of court cases that will drag on..and Lansdown could be left with just an excellent very large TVG to maintain. The new stadium and sainsburys hypermarket need binning to the history books and we need to move on.
    I don’t see any issue with a proportion of affordable housing in any housing development. It’s council policy and should be applauded. There’s plenty of young couples and families desperate to get their own home but priced out by the greedy developers. Need I mention again that Lansdowns development company was given a large chunk of council land, the former allotments, and made it clear they were building NO affordable homes.
    Your references to ‘social housing’ have slightly unpleasant racist undertones of the type that otib regulars indulge in eg. we can’t have our stadium so please mr Loansdown open up the land to Gypsies that’ll teach them not born and bred outsiders and their TVG dog toilet.
    A deal should be welcomed by all sensible city supporters. The true home of city at the gate is due to embark on a fantastic redevelopment. The potential for disastrously overspending on a new ground and being evicted like Coventry has almost been avoided.

  18. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:13 am

    Sacredspring

    How dare you!

    Because I have brought up some obvious issues you resort to calling me a racist!

    What a nasty little man you are.

    Some of the issues are now out there as uncomfortable for you and Bob they obviously are.

    The fact is that development will bring in a completely unknown amount of people (with many dogs) and leave you with an uncontrolled and unadministered Village Green…Good luck with that!

    Yes their will be affordable housing and now the residents of your area know this because someone has the guts to bring it up…Were you!?

    As far Bristol City is concerned where they play their football is up to them…But the residents of AV should be aware of the compromises you and others are making on their behalf….

    Perhaps you and Bob should find out exactly what you are asking the people of AV to sign up for before you suggest there is something nasty about my views and associate me with Bristol City.

    Do you know me….Of course not. I would think very hard before making a comment like that again if I were you!…And while you are thinking about it go and get some actual evidence that this a better solution!

    Best Wishes

    DR Hayward MBA DMS

  19. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:21 am

    Just as a side note…how does everyone think Steve Landsdowne will pay for the changes to Ashton Gate!!!….Has this even crossed anyones mind!?

  20. September 15, 2013 8:58 am

    Affordable housing is an essential part of most urban planning now, most people are aware that its hard to buy a house nowadays. Don’t see why it is such an issue.
    Ideally the land would stay as green belt, if I could afford to buy it, that’s what it would remain donated to Bristol for future generations to enjoy. Lansdown obviously can’t afford to be that altruistic.
    Not sure how the redevelopments at the gate will be funded, but done in stages, and a lot less capital tied up. I’m ok with the council chipping in with donating the valuable land that ratepayers own aka the car park. Obviously not ok with land being given to build a monster store, but for a redeveloped stadium ..that’s fine by me. There’s a few Bristol pounds saved.

  21. bobs permalink
    September 15, 2013 12:53 pm

    Dr Haywood

    Are you still in the Chicago area ?

  22. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 1:23 pm

    Mr Hayward

  23. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 1:42 pm

    Bobs And Sacredspring

    Let us review.

    Some housing? Are the plans available?…Lower Level? Really explain to us all what that actually means…do you know!?

    Unanswered

    Oh really it wont change the way of life…Which study have you performed on this proposal…its bound to!

    Unanswered

    Registered wetland, maybe it is already. However are you going to ensue its somewhere nice to go, of course not, so it remains what it is with a nice name… who would have done?

    Unanswered

    I think you have the misinformation as you seem to like to draw pretty pictures within a broad outline…

    Unannswered

    The fact is that development will bring in a completely unknown amount of people (with many dogs) and leave you with an uncontrolled and unadministered Village Green…Good luck with that!

    Unanswered

    Perhaps you and Bob should find out exactly what you are asking the people of AV to sign up for before you suggest there is something nasty about my views

    Unanswered

    Do you know me….Of course not. I would think very hard before making a comment like that again if I were you!…And while you are thinking about it go and get some actual evidence that this a better solution

    Unanswerd

    Sacredspring likens me to a racist because I point out social housing will be an issue

    Bob S Thinks he’s being clever because he finds out I have a home in Chicago,,,Bob I have more than one home in more than one country…Is this a concept you can understand.

    The Irony of you two is, one tries to paint me as a half wit Neanderthal racist, while the other implies that somehow I have no right to let my feelings known on a blog and then thinks he’s smart by implying I have no affinity with the area.

    Sir a week ago today I spread my fathers ashes at Ashton Court….I have affinity with the area alright!

    Go and find some actual evidence to support your claims and start representing the people of you’re area as you proport to do!

  24. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:02 pm

    And also find out what level of funding Ashton Gate will require linked to the sale of the land…Perhaps you can then begin to let the people of AV know the real consequences of these negotiations to them!

  25. bobs permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:10 pm

    Oh dear.

    At a time when BCFC and the locals are working hard at rebuilding relations with a deal which has taken 8 months work and significant detail, along you come to try and cause more trouble with a new persona.

    I guess that clears up that you aren’t working for the club.

  26. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:18 pm

    Along I come with a new Persona….What the hell are you talking about..???

  27. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:19 pm

    Working for the club!?? What are you accusing me of?

  28. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:27 pm

    So Racisf, Half Wit, Neanderthal, Spy with multiple personalities…God You Are Grasping Now!?

    If you have a statement to make about me Please go ahead. I will ensure my lawyers are ready!

    You dont know me. I dont know you! I have taken part in a blog and stated my thoughts that is all.

    But you now want to appear to imply something about me, because you cant answer a single point I have made…

    You and your friends call the supporters of Bristol City names and imply they are scumbags…Yet its your side that continually resorts to this kind of vitriol…As is seen in this thread…

    I am waiting?

  29. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:28 pm

    Oh and now you are moderating my comments….Freedom of speech not welcome?

  30. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 2:57 pm

    Bob S If you have a statement to make about me Please go ahead. I will ensure my lawyers are ready!

    You dont know me. I dont know you! I have taken part in a blog and stated my thoughts that is all.

    But you now want to appear to imply something about me, because you cant answer a single point I have made…

    You and your friends call the supporters of Bristol City names and imply they are scumbags…Yet its your side that continually resorts to this kind of vitriol…As is seen in this thread…

    I am waiting?

    Paraphrased from my original comments that remain under moderation

  31. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 3:08 pm

    Significant detail! Enlighten us with some detail then Bob

  32. Faith permalink
    September 15, 2013 4:43 pm

    You won’t get an answer David, you have put your point across far too eloquently. What I find ironic, or maybe moronic, is that of the following quote from Sacredspring, where he/she quotes – “There’s a few Bristol pounds saved”. Who does he/she think are paying for all of these JR’s etc… That’s right, the tax payer. This is the same tax payer who have been crying out for a decent sports stadium and music venue for the past 30 years. The tax payer who wants this project to be built. What Sacredspring fails to see is, that nobody is going to win if they carry on. Mr Landsdown will simply build homes on this land, to fund the Ashton Gate project, which will impact the area far greater than a stadium that is used for half of the year. Brilliant.

    Another thing that annoys me is that they lead everyone down this path of “oh, look how lovely this space is, we do no want this land ever being built on”, but hang on, you now sound happy with housing? You either want it as greenbelt or not. What is it? To me, you TVGers have come out of this, not only scuppering a long needed project for Bristol, but it turns out that you’re all a bunch of hypocritical, self indulgent liars. Potentially thanks to your lies, you have lost out, and so has the city. Well done you, give yourselves a big pat on the back. To this day, the only decent regeneration project in the city as been, thats it, a shopping centre.

  33. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 5:24 pm

    Faith You Have restored some of mine!…Fantastic piece and so eloquant!

    It seems I now have some of my posts blocked…But hopefully this one makes it!!

  34. David Hayward permalink
    September 15, 2013 6:36 pm

    eloquent!… Dear me! LOL!

  35. September 15, 2013 9:00 pm

    david no moderation of your comments..I’ve give you a fair shout. The two comments in the pending box were automatically filtered..certain words get filtered like racist and scumbag, your context ok
    RULES REVIEW
    I really don’t care who you are or what your name or life is. This is an open forum, have your say.
    I don’t care for threats or thinly veiled threats…that gets a ban.
    Targeting, bullying, intimidation of ordinary residents…ban.

  36. September 15, 2013 9:22 pm

    No Faith. The irony is that permission is being sought now to redevelop the Ashton Gate stadium, permission that existed half a decade before the delusional trip round circumventing planning law to build on Green belt and making life difficult for so many people.
    The costs in money and social division can be squarely put in the hands of one badly advised person.

  37. Richard Lane permalink
    September 15, 2013 10:24 pm

    Harry T
    You wonder why I have only been watching!. Poor David Hayward made the mistake of visiting this site and having the audacity to make a comment which was not of the liking of the usual posters on this site, but still honest. He has suffered just a tiny sample of the vile vitriol I had to suffer, just because I dared to question the underhand tactics used by many of the posters supporting the applicants for a TVG. You’ve already started with your snide comments about any previous posts I’ve made, which might not have been exactly correct even though they were generally sound and honest in their intention, which is more than can be said for the spiteful comments and accusations made to myself. As you and the applicants have held what can only be described as a secret society, it’s very hard to speak of facts with such secrecy.
    Unlike the secret society of the TVG applicants, BCFC supporters have generally debated openly on OTIB, and still do. It was realised that some of the more vocally crytical comments were being used to form evidence of threats against these secret people, and subsequently used as part of the so called evidence of said threats. so a closed debate room was used but your lot were still viewing that. That’s how you were able to see that I’d mentioned the disharmony in your camp, by viewing OTIB, so you watch as well eh?.

  38. September 15, 2013 11:07 pm

    Ok Laney, was looking forward to you sticking your oar in, what took you so long.
    And get this…in the interests of democracy, UN human rights etc I’ve extended the comment period on here by another week. Pre-emptying the cries of foul and toys being launched.

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